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    Corruption at Xavier University School of Medicine, Aruba

    We are writing this post as a warning to all students that are considering to attend Xavier University School of Medicine, Aruba (XUSOM). We are currently MD 5 students and we regret ever applying to this “institution of higher learning.”

    We are sure that there are problems at other Caribbean med schools, but we cannot personally attest to that. Although, we have witnessed firsthand how poorly this school is run:


    1. We became MD1 students in the spring of 2013. The school began a new curriculum. The admission’s councilor’s failed to mention this at all while we inquired about this school. Furthermore, in spring 2014 they once again changed the curriculum without notifying any incoming students.


    2. The new “integrated” curriculum has been a failure. Professors fail to comply with systems and teach what they “think is necessary.” For example, our MD 1 semester, every class was studying the gastrointestinal system, but our anatomy professor, Dr. G (also dean of student affairs), decided to teach the head and neck.


    3. We’ve sat through teacher incompetence from the day we started at XUSOM. Teachers failed to provide adequate notes. They requested that students make presentations and subsequently use those notes/presentations to teach future students. Laziness is a key trait among faculty members.


    4. There is a disconnect between the New York office and the Aruba campus. It takes weeks/months to receive messages and replies.


    5. The grading system is subjective. Students will get passed based on how much the professors like them. Fortunately for us, we learned that sucking up goes a long way and have made it all the way to MD 5 without any problems. We mention this because the professors care more about their egos than students’ actual performances.

    6. The 5th semester coordinator was fired in the middle of our term. We didn’t find out from the school. Our fired professor, Dr. D, sent us all personal emails telling us what happened. The school refused to acknowledge that anything was wrong until our class basically protested. We have a few very vocal and opinionated students that helped.

    7. Our new 5th semester coordinator, Dr. N, teaches the pre-med microbiology course. He has been off putting and demeaning to the MD5 class. He has never taken the USMLE Step 1 and insists that XUSOM’s, “way of reviewing” is the best way to pass.

    8. The Dean, Dr. D, refuses to speak with basic science students regarding the 5th semester. When prompted, he simply replies, “We don’t know yet.”

    9. 5th semester is an online Kaplan course. If students do not take the ONLINE course at XUSOM in Aruba, then they automatically fail. There are several online test proctoring services, but the school refuses to use them.

    10. Students are controlled by fear. If anyone criticizes the faculty or administration, then they will automatically lose points in their subjective assessment. Additionally, students are threatened with suspension.

    11. The school charges an NBME examination fee even though the NBME exams are not allowed to be taken at XUSOM. This is because professors took an exam, copied the answers, and provided them to students.

    12. The behavioral science course is possibly the worst taught class out of every at XUSOM. Dr M, has repeatedly and openly flirted with students. It was taught so poorly our semester that when the Dean sat in class, he asked for Dr. M to wrap up his lecture. The dean told the students that they can learn the material on their own at a later time.

    13. Teachers are missing. We cannot even begin to count how many professors have come and gone in our time at XUSOM. There is no stability. The school currently has no physiology professor. The premed math professor teaches the med students epidemiology.

    14. Currently the MD 2 & 3 classes have combines as there aren’t enough faculty members. MD 2 students are forced to learn material for which they have not received the adequate basic prerequisite knowledge (physiology, biochemistry, & anatomy) The small school, intimate feel that XUSOM prides itself on is a lie. XUSOM doesn’t have a low faculty to student ratio.

    15. The integrated curriculum has been a failure. Our class was not properly taught biochemistry, physiology, nor histology. In fact, 4 of our professors were fired or quit. As a result of not properly learning these building block courses, we as a class have not properly learned microbiology, immunology, pathology, and pharmacology.

    16. The school itself is in shambles. The anatomy lab is kept at room temperature. As a result the various body parts stores are rotting.

    17. The roof leaks whenever it rains and the corridors become flooded.

    18. The library can only be used on weekdays from 5-9 pm because the school wants to save money on air conditioning. Security forces students to leave or move to a classroom.

    19. Administration and faculty care more about making money than seeing the school progress. They are not approachable or helpful. They make us run around in circles to get answers and this is simply so that they can cover their tracks.

    20. In our time here, we have not heard from a single student to move on from Basic Sciences and be in clinical rotations. We are not sure who to trust or believe.

    We hope you reconsider when applying to Xavier. There are many better options. Saying this may hurt our class and current students in basic science because we are sure that the faulty and administration will somehow try to spin this, but we feel that it is important to let people know what really goes on at XUSOM.

    Sincerely,

    A few brave MD 5’s
    Last edited by medic300107; 07-19-2014 at 01:33 PM. Reason: TOS Violations: Names

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    aimo observer

    Actually, the admin cant really make me write a post. Just sharing my experience at the school. I'm not really telling anyone to judge the school based on my experience. You can think whatever you want of the school. I am just giving my input on things that happen at Xavier. I still stand by what I said. My name is Manpreet Kaur and my email is mkaur1110 @gmail.com - If anyone has questions regarding my experiences they can actually contact me via email. The only one lacking calcium in their spine is the person that wrote the first post. Writing an anonymous post doesn't really make you brave.

    This will actually be my last post regarding Xavier.

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    I totally agree with xavierstudent1. I am also a current xavier student. As for the new integrated curriculum, I think it is really effective. How do I know this? Well, for starters, I've comfortably passed most of my exams (there are a few exceptions), and I can say this about most people in my class. We have a pretty high class average, and if that doesn't show the effectiveness of the system I don't know what does. Our professors really take the time to help us out, they are available in their office during their office hours, and even during lunch ( if you have a legititmate reason to go see them). And it's not just them, the Dean himself is almost always willing to see you and help you out.

    I'm not forcing anyone to listen to my opinion, this is just my 2 cents on the matter, and to show that just because one post says stuff about a school, doesn't necessarily make it true. There will always be people who have had a bad experience and are bitter toward the school they attended but remember that there are lots of students who can vouch for the effectiveness of the school. Every school has its bad points, but I know for one that XUSOM is working towards improving.

    if anyone wants to email me personally, my email address is dragonater94 @gmail.com
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    Xavier University School of Medicine, Aruba, school for gifted youngsters.

    Greetings everyone, the following message is going to be a clear and concise post to the people who are and hope to attend Xavier University School of Medicine, Aruba (XUSOM).

    I'm currently an MD student and I do NOT regret attending this institution of higher learning, nor do I want anyone who aspires to attend the school to feel influenced by the false remarks made on this website. Whether or not you choose to believe in this post is up to you, the reader, but i'm going to be completely honest pertaining to the pros AND cons of this University.

    I'm going to go through each of the points the previous account user has discussed.

    "1.We became MD1 students in the spring of 2013. The school began a new curriculum. The admission’s councilor’s failed to mention this at all while we inquired about this school. Furthermore, in spring 2014 they once again changed the curriculum without notifying any incoming students."

    1. In terms of failure to notify the students about changes to the curriculum, yes that is correct. Although that is correct I fail to see how that affects the students in ANY negative way. If the school board, more specifically the professors and deans had to come to a consensus about changing the curriculum not only once, but twice, it is obviously because the old ways were not working in terms of success for the students. The fact that they have changed it twice shows that they do care about getting the highest success rate for the students, and quite honestly the integrated system has proven to be solid not only in the United States but since we've begun it here at XUSOM students averages for quizzes and block exams have increased tremendously in comparison to the older years here at the school.

    "2.The new “integrated” curriculum has been a failure. Professors fail to comply with systems and teach what they “think is necessary.” For example, our MD 1 semester, every class was studying the gastrointestinal system, but our anatomy professor, Dr. G (also dean of student affairs), decided to teach the head and neck."

    2. First of all like I said, the integrated system has proven to be successful thus far. To current and more importantly future students of the school, you can inquire about previous and current scores of students pre/post integrated and the school will show you the change in marks. Professors do not fail to comply with systems as it is now system based and between courses from pathology to microbiology (only 2 examples) they overlap well. Also, the professors do teach what they "think is necessary" since they aim for majority of knowledge that will hit us on step 1, which once again is for the best of the students.

    "3.We’ve sat through teacher incompetence from the day we started at XUSOM. Teachers failed to provide adequate notes. They requested that students make presentations and subsequently use those notes/presentations to teach future students. Laziness is a key trait among faculty members."

    3. I must agree with the fact that there is some level of laziness amongst certain professors. However I have never seen or been involved in presentations being made by students and taught to future students of the school. Dr.D the pharmacology professor, Dr.G the anatomy professor, and Dr.S the neurology professor, are 3 examples of great professors that not only care about the students but are great at teaching in their respective fields.

    "4.There is a disconnect between the New York office and the Aruba campus. It takes weeks/months to receive messages and replies."

    4. This statement is slightly true, I wouldn't exaggerate to the point saying it takes months, but yes it does sometimes take a while for you to receive messages and what not. Although that is true, the school is trying to become better in communication but as we all know is difficult for an American created school, located in the Caribbean.

    "5.The grading system is subjective. Students will get passed based on how much the professors like them. Fortunately for us, we learned that sucking up goes a long way and have made it all the way to MD 5 without any problems. We mention this because the professors care more about their egos than students’ actual performances."

    5. The grading system is not subjective, no matter where you are in the world, attending whichever institution of learning, if you study hard and apply yourself student-professor relation has no adequate influence on it. This is easy to prove, all block exams responsible for majority of your course mark are all taken on the computer through our testing program. Once you finish exams your grade is immediately sent to New York and saved on file. Therefore your relation to professors does not make any change in your scores, that is all on yourself. Though to be quite honest, nobody is stupid, having a good relation with your professors can go a long way, not in terms of influence of your scores, but overall showing you care for your course and are trying to succeed.

    "6.The 5th semester coordinator was fired in the middle of our term. We didn’t find out from the school. Our fired professor, Dr. D, sent us all personal emails telling us what happened. The school refused to acknowledge that anything was wrong until our class basically protested. We have a few very vocal and opinionated students that helped."

    6. The fact that you're bringing up a professor leaving the school is already not a good thing to talk about but we can touch on it. I do not know personally if Dr.D sent you personalized emails but I find it highly doubtful. Once again it is inappropriate to talk about this subject but this professor left for a personal family emergency and was not dismissed by the school. Also I know this for sure because I also had Dr.D but from day one of orientation this professor was nothing but positive and encouraging about the school and us students being successful. I still remember this professor saying to us as many of the other professors do that your success of becoming a doctor is on you, always has always will be. No matter where you are from, you can be successful.

    "7.Our new 5th semester coordinator, Dr. N, teaches the pre-med microbiology course. He has been off putting and demeaning to the MD5 class. He has never taken the USMLE Step 1 and insists that XUSOM’s, “way of reviewing” is the best way to pass."

    7. That is correct that Dr.N teaches pre-med and yes has not taken step 1 but he is not an off putting professor he is quite involved with the students and is always there if needed for personal help in the courses. He is a graduate of microbiology and in teaching this course (which he does in pre-med and md) is very thorough, knowledgeable and helpful.

    "8.The Dean, Dr. D, refuses to speak with basic science students regarding the 5th semester. When prompted, he simply replies, “We don’t know yet.” "

    8. I have absolutely nothing to say negatively about Dr.D he is one of the best professors at our university because he genuinely cares about the success of YOU as a student. Any inquiry I myself or friends have had he has been nothing but helpful with a solution. If he ever replies with "We don't know yet" it is because he truly does not know but I can guarantee he will get you the answer.

    "9.5th semester is an online Kaplan course. If students do not take the ONLINE course at XUSOM in Aruba, then they automatically fail. There are several online test proctoring services, but the school refuses to use them."

    9. Yes this is true, but it's as simple as the school does not want you leaving without attending their meetings about Kaplan, this is simply because you must be certified by the school and a graduate to write your step 1, if you leave and lose sight of your path when going back home not only does that look bad for the school but it is also bad for you as a student.

    "10.Students are controlled by fear. If anyone criticizes the faculty or administration, then they will automatically lose points in their subjective assessment. Additionally, students are threatened with suspension."

    10. I have no detailed comment about this statement other then the fact that it shows a high level of incompetence. Constructive criticism is welcomed at the school and I promise you will not be "controlled by fear"

    "11.The school charges an NBME examination fee even though the NBME exams are not allowed to be taken at XUSOM. This is because professors took an exam, copied the answers, and provided them to students."

    11. Yes this is true that there is an NBME exam fee and it is not taken at the school. Though this is not because it was copied and provided, like all other caribbean schools they have what's called a shelf exam, in order to test how prepared you are for step 1.

    "12.The behavioral science course is possibly the worst taught class out of every at XUSOM. Dr M, has repeatedly and openly flirted with students. It was taught so poorly our semester that when the Dean sat in class, he asked for Dr. M to wrap up his lecture. The dean told the students that they can learn the material on their own at a later time."

    12. So far this is the only statement I can fully agree with, but once again the professor has been let go so why are you still complaining about this? The school has done what's right for the better of the school so I see nothing to complain about anymore. Even though this professor was clearly incompetent and inappropriate there was no solid grounds or proof to fire him until recently.

    "13.Teachers are missing. We cannot even begin to count how many professors have come and gone in our time at XUSOM. There is no stability. The school currently has no physiology professor. The premed math professor teaches the med students epidemiology."

    13. Teachers are not missing, yes they have come and gone because need I remind you this school is very young, they are trying to put together the best team of professors in order for us to succeed I see no shame in seeing them come and go since it has and will work in our benefit to finding the best professors for our institution.

    "14.Currently the MD 2 & 3 classes have combines as there aren’t enough faculty members. MD 2 students are forced to learn material for which they have not received the adequate basic prerequisite knowledge (physiology, biochemistry, & anatomy) The small school, intimate feel that XUSOM prides itself on is a lie. XUSOM doesn’t have a low faculty to student ratio.

    14. Yes this is true that currently some classes have combined TEMPORARILY, 4 new professors have been recruited and start next semester. Our small school does have an intimate feeling to it with a low faculty to student ratio and this is easily proven with the fact that no class exceeds 25-30 students and that's the highest in correlation to the combined classes, Single classes have never exceeded 20 students and to future students, another guarantee is the personal one on one basis with professors that you DO receive here.

    "15.The integrated curriculum has been a failure. Our class was not properly taught biochemistry, physiology, nor histology. In fact, 4 of our professors were fired or quit. As a result of not properly learning these building block courses, we as a class have not properly learned microbiology, immunology, pathology, and pharmacology."

    15. Once again the integrated system has not been a failure but a continuing success. 4 professors being fired or quit is just a complete lie because we haven't lost 4 md professors this semester. The school provides you with the adequate tools and knowledge for you to succeed, how you advance of this is based on your own mind frame. If you cannot keep up with class ie studying, taking good notes, asking questions, overall what I'm simply saying is if you do not try, of course you will be faced with failure...just like any other institution in the world.

    "16.The school itself is in shambles. The anatomy lab is kept at room temperature. As a result the various body parts stores are rotting."

    16. The school is not in shambles, but to be honest yes we do not have the best facility but once again the school has a solution. The school just purchased new land and are in the works with architects and construction companies finalizing the new facility being built. So to future students I'd be excited to be in your shoes since you'll have a brand new state of the art facility.

    "17.The roof leaks whenever it rains and the corridors become flooded."

    17. Yes the roof leaks but not because of holes in the structure. The way the roof of the school is built is it cascades over the edges of the school with a gap in the lining, so only with hard rains and heavy winds does water ever even get inside. The halls never become flooded.

    "18.The library can only be used on weekdays from 5-9 pm because the school wants to save money on air conditioning. Security forces students to leave or move to a classroom."

    18. Actually you can use the library any time of day during school hours, and after school hours it's open till midnight, during exam time its open even later. Using common sense you should know that yes if only 1 student is at school what is the need for the entire library, classrooms are adequate enough. And if you're thinking well what about books? You can always book them out before it closes (if it does) and to add to that, a lot of your knowledge comes from our servers all in pdf so you always have that resource at your disposal.

    "19.Administration and faculty care more about making money than seeing the school progress. They are not approachable or helpful. They make us run around in circles to get answers and this is simply so that they can cover their tracks."

    19. Once again another statement where I have no detailed answer because of it's incompetence, even if they did just care about money, why would they not want to see the school progress...so they could make more money? The school like all others is only trying to grow and improve, with people like you giving this mindset to future students who will apply, you're the one not helping the school progress.

    "20.In our time here, we have not heard from a single student to move on from Basic Sciences and be in clinical rotations. We are not sure who to trust or believe."

    20. Since there is a clear list every year of Xavier graduates who get into their residency it's quite clear they moved from basic sciences to clinical rotations. You can request this list from our dean Dr.D, as well as come into contact by emailing those residents.

    Now that you know the truth, I hope you do reconsider applying to Xavier only after reading that last post. As a student I have a couple words of advice for future students as well as our current ones to hear. Whichever medical school you apply to, I hope for you to be successful, where you go does have an influence, but at the end of the day it still comes down to you, just you. If you work hard and apply yourself you can and will be successful. Xavier is right now a good school and in the near future will be a great one. They give you the tools to succeed and it's up to you to harness them. So please just remember for one, don't believe everything you read online, there is always two sides to a story. And mainly what I want anyone who's reading this to grasp from it is you can succeed anywhere, it's up to you.

    If you have any questions you can email me at DrCharlesXavier @ hotmail . com

    To current students let's prove the doubtful people wrong, and to future prospects, we'd love to have you here at Xavier University School of Medicine...school for gifted youngsters.
    Last edited by Dr. Charles Xavier; 07-23-2014 at 02:18 PM.
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    lol rof****

    any time a student comes on vmd and does not toe the line youcan expect one of these posts filled wih lies trying to save face and do damage control.
    this is the same school that was simultaneously advertising online recently for TEACHERS IN EIGHT SUBJECTS

    IT HAS BEEN SHOWN THAT TO DO INTEGRATIVE TEACHING THAT A LARGE STAFF WITH EXPERTS IS NEEDED

    ANY ONE WHO HAS BEEN TO A KAPLAN REVIEW COURSE KNOWS THAT IT DOES NOT COVER THE PROGRAM ADEQUATELY

    YOU ARE EITHER ADMINISTRATION OR JUST MANIFESTING THAT YOU ARE A SINCERE MEDICAL ILLITERATE! LOL

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    I cant believe I'm actually writing on this post again, but I couldn't resist.
    first of all, "LOL" ....seriously?

    Just because some of us students actually have something good to say about the school, you assume it's an admin. Aimu observer, it seems as if its your job to talk down on a lot of these school forums. Thats really none of my business, but just reading your posts its not hard to tell that you really have no knowledge about what goes on at Xavier. It's usually best to stay quiet if you don't know the full details. All of the other posts have been full of information from insiders (including the first post). I'm sorry to say this, but the points you are bringing up are quite silly.

    You can go ahead and make another silly comment of yours. I'm sure the readers can distinguish between the good and bad comments regarding the first post.
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    i know a lot more about XAVIER than you think

    The first student that posted is telling the truth and you know it

    Your basic problem is that you thik that you are in heaven because XAVIER accepted you in to their school.

    We understand that you could not get into a better school so you have to defend the indefensible.

    What you are doing in response to the accurate information given by the first poster is nothing new, it has been done for time immemorial on VMD

    you are just joining the chorus. LOL

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    Xavier may not be one of the top medical schools, but it is also not one of the worst.
    You can sit here and spew whatever you like, but it does not make it valid.
    Xavier is not the only school you have talked down upon on valuemd, obviously this is a habit of yours.
    Obviously whatever school you go to cannot possibly be a better school either, considering the amount of time it must take to think of all these posts you have on value md talking about other schools. If you went to an actual school as good as you think you do, you wouldn't have the time.
    I am just voicing my opinion about the school I go to. Whats wrong with taking pride in my school?
    Just because you're not happy with where you go and your situation, doesn't mean you have to knock everyone who is happy or content down a peg. Get over yourself and go do something better with your life.

    Goodbye,
    Mani

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    likkle boy

    i did not start this thread one of your class mates did

    wasnt he entitled to his opinion?

    if i agree with him am i not entitled to my opinion too?

    you have ever right to defend your likkle school and he has every right to disagree and so do i

    why dont you go and do you likkle school book

    lol

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    Lol, I still get amazed by the amount of idiotic people on the internet, but since you're going to keep going on with this let's address it. I'm not administration nor a "medical illiterate", the only one who is, is you "likkle boy". Honestly though not going to stoop to your level but sure you're entitled to your opinion, though you don't attend our school nor do you know all the facts, so how is your opinion viable? You don't know more then we think and you won't unless you came to our school so why are you even bashing from behind a computer screen? It may sound corny or cliche but at the end of the day we're trying to become doctors to help people and the better of society...so why ridicule that...but either way given your statements it's clear that you don't have a high intellect but it's ok, you can if you just go do you likkle school book!

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    likkkle boy, i laugh at your pithy puerile pedestrian ad hominems and wont reciprocate....lol

    i cant tell a lot about myself but i can tell you the case of a friend who applied to teach at zavier in late 2009.

    on the last thursday in december xavier said we need you here on sunday.......send your photo and page from passport and we will send ticket
    my friend did as told

    when he heard nothing by saturday he inquired

    xavier sad the chemistry man will teach the course
    my friend had two good friends on staff at xavier who told him the chemistry man couldnt teach the course

    xavier had no teacher for that course for a year

    my friend you see is melanotic

    what does that tell you about zavier?

    defend your likkle school some more you cant get in anywhere else

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