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    RichS is offline Junior Member
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    no Xavier grads found at the residencies listed on their site!!!!!!!

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    hey guys, still trying to find information on this school and haven't been successful so far. had some time today, so went to Xavier's website, where they list their residency appointments to date. XUSOM - Xavier University School of Medicine Foundation at Aruba

    I went to Florida Hospital Medical Center, Georgia University Hospital, and U of Illinois and Chicago websites and went through all of their current residents. And none of them were from Xavier!!!!!??? Now what? The residencies they listed don't even have proof of Xavier grads at those places!

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    some people choose not to post what school they came from

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    Quote Originally Posted by xjared6250 View Post
    some people choose not to post what school they came from

    Then the resident would still be listed, without their school. It's very rare that people don't want to post what school they're from.

    Regardless, this is what prospective students look at to see if a school is safe to go to. And an immediate red flag goes off if one cannot find recent graduates at the schools Xavier says they matched at.

    More of a red flag: That a school doesn't want to give you a list of alumni that you can contact and talk to. Please, does anyone have this list, I want to talk to some real clinical students and graduates.

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    Not a student at Xavier, but I read the VMD forum and the student doctor forums and came across this post from a program director that frequents the SDN forum and it applies to this topic

    If they tell you they have grads in programs, and then you check those programs and they don't, that's a bad sign. Either they're lying, those grads failed out, they graduated years ago and they stopped taking Xavier grads, etc. No matter what the answer is, it's bad.

    Just for fun I went to take a look at Xavier's website. They list their hospital affiliations, which as expected are a bunch of community programs. Interestingly, they list John Stroger in Chicago. "Wow!" I thought. That's the new name for Cook County and is a GREAT place to do rotations. So, I went to their website, and "Surprise" -- in big red letters "No Non-US Students accepted" Oh well, I guess Xavier's website has a small error on it.

    So, I decided to work down the list. Since I'm in IM, I focused on the IM rotations. First one on the list is "American Medical Clinical" in Chicago. Never heard of it. Interestingly, neither has Google. Googling it finds some medical beauty spa place in Florida, which doesn't look promising.

    Well, OK, maybe two errors. Let's try the next one, helpfully named "Atlanta Hospitals (Medstars)". "Atlanta Hospitals" doesn't sound very helpful, as there are lots of hospitals in Atlanta. So I googled "Medstars", which demonstrates a private company that offers to set up any IMG, for a fee, with a rotation. Per their website, they have 2 ACGME hospitals. No idea which ones. I wonder if Xavier pays the fee you need to pay Medstar, or if you get to pay that?

    I'd tell you to go look/post on ValueMD, but I see you've already done that.

    Bottom line is this -- if it's this difficult to figure out, you should know there's a problem.

    Just google "student doctor network caribbean" and the title of the thread is "Xavier in Aruba, where is the information?" Good luck with finding your info and deciding where to attend if you are not already there

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    You have a lot of time on your hands if your trying to look up other peoples roations. Maybe you should concentrate on yourself and what you need to do to get into rotations.

    Are u trying to make yourself feel better or why the negativity and why single out this school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichS View Post
    Then the resident would still be listed, without their school. It's very rare that people don't want to post what school they're from.

    Regardless, this is what prospective students look at to see if a school is safe to go to. And an immediate red flag goes off if one cannot find recent graduates at the schools Xavier says they matched at.

    More of a red flag: That a school doesn't want to give you a list of alumni that you can contact and talk to. Please, does anyone have this list, I want to talk to some real clinical students and graduates.
    I woulnd't give my name to the school I went to. I don't want dead beats looking me up and trying to disprove something.. people who asks for those lists are doing nothing but looking for trouble.

    that list should be voluntary

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    MightyMice is offline Junior Member 511 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coprolalia View Post
    You have a lot of time on your hands if your trying to look up other peoples roations. Maybe you should concentrate on yourself and what you need to do to get into rotations.

    Are u trying to make yourself feel better or why the negativity and why single out this school?
    Read the first line, I came across this post on the SDN carib forum, the part that was in red was a quoted post from a program director...he's the one that did the research because he is an attending in IM. The only reason I posted on this forum was to help the OP out as many students posts have helped me, and since I came across this exact topic I thought the information would be helpful.

    Why would you be concerned with students trying to look you up to disprove something if you were actually a successful student? As private institutions, the schools do have the right to withold residency information, etc. but when a school is trying to gain legitamacy in the caribbean med school business, it helps to provide that list. RichS is right, not providing a residency list should be a red flag

    Nice name by the way, it seems to fit your style of writing

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    John Strogers

    Well I went to John Strogers website and this is what I found:
    [Paraphrased]

    Do you accept IMGs? Yes

    Is US clinical exp. a requirement? No

    Do you require a candidate to be ECFMG certified at the time of application? We do not however the NRMP will not allow an applicant to be ranked without the certificate.
    So, research things for yourself. It is good to ask questions, whether you prove or disprove something, I mean after all med school is too expensive and takes too much time out of your life to go into it blindly!
    Last edited by Fiskgyrl; 12-12-2010 at 10:15 PM.

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    MightyMice is offline Junior Member 511 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskgyrl View Post
    Well I went to John Strogers website and this is what I found:
    [Paraphrased]

    Do you accept IMGs? Yes

    Is US clinical exp. a requirement? No

    Do you require a candidate to be ECFMG certified at the time of application? We do not however the NRMP will not allow an applicant to be ranked without the certificate.
    So, research things for yourself. It is good to ask questions, whether you prove or disprove something, I mean after all med school is too expensive and takes too much time out of your life to go into it blindly!
    If you are talking about residency positions for internal medicine than the information you found is correct, however I was referring to clinical rotations done in the 3rd and 4th year of medical school as Xavier advertises on their website under hospital affiliations

    Here is the link to John Stroger's website, title is bolded, red and on the first line and repeated again halfway down the page
    Medical Student Rotations | Department of Medicine | John Stroger Hospital of Cook County

    I agree that is good to ask questions and you can't go into things blindly, but you need to make sure that what you research correlates to the clinical rotations being discussed, not residency positions (almost all residency programs will say they accept IMGs so they can get money from applications, whether or not they rank or even interview us is another story unfortunately).

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    Fiskgyrl is offline Newbie 510 points
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    I thought the info in red came from someone else visiting the forum. But anyway, I get your point. Went to their site and searched for the info on rotations and sure enough says

    We do not accept students from non-U.S. medical schools at this time.

    However, if you are interested in any other elective, you may contact each department separately and check their policy and availability. I believe that the only departments that do allow foreign medical students are: Anesthesiology (312-864-3217), Pediatrics (312-864-4505), Psychiatry (312-864-9681) and Trauma (312-864-2733).

    But, yeah does not look good for IMGs
    Last edited by Fiskgyrl; 12-13-2010 at 02:10 PM.

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