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    Quick question about transcript updates

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    Hey, I just had a quick question. So I applied for September, and got in. I've done a semester at a university, and I took three courses that pertain to what St. Kitts needs. I took Chemistry, Bio, and a basic math.

    The math I took was basic level math, basically a math I needed as I didn't take calculus in highschool, and my marks in both bio and chem were mediocore/borderline.

    I'm currently accepted into the 3rd premed semester, pending transcript, and before I make my full plans of going to the island, I wanted to make sure that once they received my transcript, that they wouldn't bump me down to premed 2 or premed 1.

    There were various reasons for my low marks in university, all of which I've worked on and removed, so I know I can do well in the med school itself (I also have an older sibling that has all the material/experiences.)

    So I suppose what I really want to ask, is will they look at my transcript, and bump me down? Also, say I do a semester or two of MD, if they decide to look at my transcript then, could they bump me down from all the way there?

    Ah, and one last question, is there still the premed semester inbetween MD 4 and 5?

    Thanks

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    this is not what you're asking for but i'll go ahead and say it anyway. don't try to go to med school without a degree. you will regret it. one semester of college doesn't even scratch the surface of what any graduate school is like. it will hinder you in residency applications, if you make it that far. you should really reconsider and stick with a science degree or something from your canadian school and apply for medical school later on. you will likely waste your parents money after coming here after just one semester of college. the information will overwhelm you for sure

    this isn't personal, but after 12+ years in existence, only one or two windsor students have matched after doing the predmed program in lieu of proper undergrad. one or two. let that sink in. most don't make it out of basic sciences. those that do make it to clinicals likely will have scored poorly on step 1 and 2 and will not match. college is a time to grow in a lot of ways.

    the fact that you think you've "worked on and removed" the reasons for poor grades in your first and only semester means you probably don't understand what caused those problems. windsor will not help you if you start to struggle. they will place you into a retake loop and spit you out when you've run out of funds. what i'm saying is that you will likely not get the information blasted at you and you will genuinely fail your exams. one does not learn study skills in a matter of months. it becomes a habit over years that you master.

    if you are still intent on going this route, which is a horrible plan for anyone that didn't finish school, your older siblings materials will do nothing. that's not how medical school works. if you make it to the MD program, they very well can ask you to take a premed semester if they feel like it. what you mentioned about premed 3 popping up for some students after md4 but before md5 in carbondale is very real and if you have no college degree you can not deny them from placing you into premed 3 or any other premed semester they feel like milking you for your money for.

    chemistry is rather important for biochem and bio is important for physio and anatomy and basically everything else. if you got a "borderline" grade on it, i'm going to assume the worst that you received a D or at best, a C-. that will not cut it, even at a bottom feeding medical school in the caribbean.

    if you want an accurate measure of what is needed to pass step 1 and windsor does/does not do in preparing students for it, ask any studen (your older sibling will know plenty) that has been between MD5 and rotations for 2+ years studying for Step 1. ask them where they went wrong and what needs to be done to pass the exam. you don't do poorly and then rectify your mistake overnight. because if it was so simple to learn from your mistakes, you likely would have learned the first week...the first month even...of your first semester.

    it's a harsh truth but it's the reality. unless you study for 5+ hours a day after school, you will drown in the information and it is very unlikely you'll be able to recover to take sTep 1 in the time alotted. coming to the island, you think you've been scared straight in to fixing your habits, but it simply will not happen. i struggled with it. many of my peers from 5 years ago still struggle with it and have left medical school because the information was too much to recover from.

    fix your bad habits before coming to medical school anywhere. and you fix those habits over the four years of college which will tell you whether you really fixed them or not.
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    ^ This will never stop. Canada (GTA especially) is the multicultural hub with south Asian parents who would love nothing more than sending their kids off to Medical school at the "bargain" price offered by Windsor. Forget NRMP data/CA and it's affiliated states approval/NY (the most IMG friendly state) approval etc. I don't have anything against anyone pursuing this route or even going to Windsor, but i wish people were more informed before making the decision. I don't expect a typical high school graduate to know about any of those things.

    To add to what PnS11 said, i doubt the windsor pre-med course would even be counted anywhere else but at Windsor. Why not just do your premed in Canada where the courses actually have value? Seems a better option to me. Go to Windsor after you're done here.. if you must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torontomed View Post
    ^ This will never stop. Canada (GTA especially) is the multicultural hub with south Asian parents who would love nothing more than sending their kids off to Medical school at the "bargain" price offered by Windsor. Forget NRMP data/CA and it's affiliated states approval/NY (the most IMG friendly state) approval etc. I don't have anything against anyone pursuing this route or even going to Windsor, but i wish people were more informed before making the decision. I don't expect a typical high school graduate to know about any of those things.

    To add to what PnS11 said, i doubt the windsor pre-med course would even be counted anywhere else but at Windsor. Why not just do your premed in Canada where the courses actually have value? Seems a better option to me. Go to Windsor after you're done here.. if you must.
    yea i understand that's what's going on. i hate to paint with broad strokes but i end up doing it anyway. once you get to the island, you realize it's mostly true as to what type of students are admitted, their flaws, and what is "motivating" them to be here. it's fine, it's a cultural thing. but at the end, the parents pay the financial cost and the child pays the emotional, academic, and any other type of cost you can think of. it takes a long time to recover if you retire from medicine after going the carib route and not passing your boards or even the classes.

    canadian or us uni degree is a safety net if windsor or medicine as a whole doesn't work out. if you get a college degree, you have a better shot at SGU or Ross or something that will likely remain in business for the next 5-10 years at least given all the caricom and other accrediation bodies ocming down hard on schools that aren't up to the mark. windsor will likely cease to exist in 4-5 years if they don't meet the requirements to remain open. it's going to be bad for those students still in the system when their school closes. best it closes while they're in basic science. that's two years lost, tops. but during rotations or just before applying for residency? that's it.
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    Every residency program will ask you if you are a US or canadian citizen, why there is no record of having graduated from college? Did something go terribly wrong that one had to drop out of college? even if your grades were very poor, in terms of residency pd's dropping out of college to go to a carrib med school will scare away many pd's regardless of how excellent your step scores are. there is no easy path to this. continue with college, and get that degree before even considering any carribean schools. also saying that it was the cheaper option and money was tight. sorry that wont fly
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    Caliber of students is a big factor. I know a couple of SABA graduates that were successful, but these guys had ~3.5 average and mid-20's MCAT i.e. they already somewhat knew HOW to study. The low tier schools pry on students that consistently skimmed through lectures throughout undergrad without understanding anything and got a low-mid 2's GPA. I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but that seems to be the general trend with the applicants i personally saw going the non-big 4 route. It just seems safer to me to do at least a couple of years of undergrad in Canada where the courses have value, develop proper study habits, and then explore the Carib route whether it's big 4 or other schools to your heart's content. Who knows, may be you'll get into UWO! (they look at your 2 best years).

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