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    the residency competition is insane

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    I am currently in the midst of applying for residency, and I applied to more than 150 programs in the worst parts of the US where many students do not want to go, and with all of that I got only one interview till date.

    Well without disclosing obvious details, my step 1 was between a 230-240, and my step 2 was near a 250 and no red flags at all. to put it all into perspective, so the competition is real and very tough. I was told however by an residency advisor, that if I was a US Citizen with a bachelors degree I would be a shoe in with my scores but the canadian citizenship, the lack of connections (extended cousins dont count as connections- connections means a direct blood relative who has sway in the residency program you are applying to), and not having finished my Bsc in Canada is my biggest pitfall in my application. A US Citizen who has a bachelors degree is a shoe in somewhere some place in some field for residency as long as their USMLE Steps 1 and 2 are 205 or above and pass on first attempt


    Things are changing at the speed of light, and residency program directors do not like taking international citizens anymore and also for all Carib students, if one is a US or Canadian citizen, there should be ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why they dont have some kind of undergraduate/college degree. However, you will find that they are sympathetic towards US Citizen applicants who went to college, finished college, and write in their personal statement that they came to the carrib school because college was immensely tough, they messed up their first few years, and they were under competitive for admission into a US or Canadian med school but now that they have taken the steps and did well in medical school, resulting in their approach towards life and responsibility has changed.

    Hence why SGU and the big 4 do very well in the match

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    I think there is still time for you to get IV invites so don't lose hope but it is interesting that a bachelors holds high rank among PDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carribdoc View Post
    I am currently in the midst of applying for residency, and I applied to more than 150 programs in the worst parts of the US where many students do not want to go, and with all of that I got only one interview till date.

    Well without disclosing obvious details, my step 1 was between a 230-240, and my step 2 was near a 250 and no red flags at all. to put it all into perspective, so the competition is real and very tough. I was told however by an residency advisor, that if I was a US Citizen with a bachelors degree I would be a shoe in with my scores but the canadian citizenship, the lack of connections (extended cousins dont count as connections- connections means a direct blood relative who has sway in the residency program you are applying to), and not having finished my Bsc in Canada is my biggest pitfall in my application. A US Citizen who has a bachelors degree is a shoe in somewhere some place in some field for residency as long as their USMLE Steps 1 and 2 are 205 or above and pass on first attempt


    Things are changing at the speed of light, and residency program directors do not like taking international citizens anymore and also for all Carib students, if one is a US or Canadian citizen, there should be ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why they dont have some kind of undergraduate/college degree. However, you will find that they are sympathetic towards US Citizen applicants who went to college, finished college, and write in their personal statement that they came to the carrib school because college was immensely tough, they messed up their first few years, and they were under competitive for admission into a US or Canadian med school but now that they have taken the steps and did well in medical school, resulting in their approach towards life and responsibility has changed.

    Hence why SGU and the big 4 do very well in the match
    I don't think it's limited to SGU and the big 4 doing well on match. Pretty sure it's just getting tougher overall. Hopefully you'll get more interviews soon, I'm rooting for you!

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    I agree with every thing you are saying, but I refuse to believe that in 2014, even without a college degree, someone with a 230-240 is having trouble finding a residency.

    Not having a college degree is somewhat of a red flag, so don't say "I have no red flags." But I doubt it's red enough to warrant being shunned by residency programs.

    You either don't really sport a 230/250 Step 1/Step 2 score, or you applied for every radiology and derm residency in the nation and sat back, expecting the interviews to roll in.

    Yes, the big 4 do well in the Match. And yes, it has to do with them requiring a BSc as well as an MCAT. But that is quality control on the students that they want in their school. I doubt an UG degree is the deciding factor when it comes residencies, though. Students that were on the cusp of getting into a US or Canadian school end up going to the Big 4. That's why they match at a better rate than Windsor students who come in all shapes and sizes.


    Do you want me to prove you're a troll?


    Quote Originally Posted by carribdoc View Post
    I am past being a clinical student and am applying this year for residency. I can say i did well on steps and have applied for fm and im. Lets just say i applied over 150 programs and have only got one interview. I am open to doing an MPH degree from Hopkins if I do not match this year along with studying for step 3 and going in the match again. Connections im seeing plays a big role. A fellow student in my class who had retakes but passed the boards barely is getting way more interviews than me. It also happens that his mother is a famous chief of a hospital

    As for these stipulations, these were the stipulations placed by the texas board on auc students doing cores there. Dont tell me windsor does not have to follow these stipulations just because we all know what a horrible school auc is (sarcasm)
    See bold. I pulled this from your other thread. You claim you didn't get an undergraduate degree, but you still plan on going for your Master's? Bachelor's--->Master's----> PhD/Doctorate.

    With no undergraduate degree, you are not getting a Master's, even from bullcrap Walden or Davenport's online course. Forget Hopkins.

    Sounds like someone who didn't even pass the Step is trying to be VMD's political pundit and making projections for the healthcare landscape. If Barack can't get it right, what makes you think you've got it all figured out?
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    Look at the johns hopkins mph program admissjon requirements. If you are a doctor and have a medical degree, you are eligible to apply without having to take the GRE

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    And i personally do not care if you believe me or not. This is supposed to tell students who are considering windsor to first finish bachelors and for those currently at windsor to realize this a huge uphill battle

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    And the undergraduate does play a role. Have you filled an ERAS applocation? It requires applicants to put their post secondary institution and then their medical school. How horribly attrocious does it look to not have filled that postsecondary box if you are a us or canadian citizen. Aboslutely one of the worst things your applcation can have regardless of step score. If you apply to s program which has an american caucasian as its program director, you can bet that is one thing they sure are
    Looking for- bachelors degree
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    BTW, windsor now requires a Bachelor's and MCAT to be admitted to the MD program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carribdoc View Post
    Look at the johns hopkins mph program admissjon requirements. If you are a doctor and have a medical degree, you are eligible to apply without having to take the GRE
    Whatever floats your boat, man. As a Canadian, I don't think you understand what Johns Hopkins is/means to the medical field/world. It's not easy or something to be used a backup option.

    Quote Originally Posted by carribdoc View Post
    And i personally do not care if you believe me or not. This is supposed to tell students who are considering windsor to first finish bachelors and for those currently at windsor to realize this a huge uphill battle
    And as I originally said, that is good advice, and I agree. It is an uphill battle. That is life in medical school in any country. Your experience is not the typical one for someone with those scores and that resume, or lack thereof.


    Quote Originally Posted by carribdoc View Post
    And the undergraduate does play a role. Have you filled an ERAS applocation? It requires applicants to put their post secondary institution and then their medical school. How horribly attrocious does it look to not have filled that postsecondary box if you are a us or canadian citizen. Aboslutely one of the worst things your applcation can have regardless of step score. If you apply to s program which has an american caucasian as its program director, you can bet that is one thing they sure are
    Looking for- bachelors degree
    It is important. But as I said before, someone with a 240 has shown competency in their medical knowledge. A 250 on Step shows some mastery of clinical skills. In what universe would not having a degree completely negate what the medical boards are suggesting? I mean, it's nice to have an UG degree on your resume. But not having one can not mean you are not fit to be a physician. Many students with Bachelor's come with degrees non-science related.

    Your situation blows, but I feel there is more to it that either you are not telling us or the program advisor you talked to (I have never heard of a PD or anyone like that giving you live feedback and analysis on why they didn't accept you) is not telling you. Or they are BSing you and just do not want to sponsor you for a visa.

    I know a few of the students that matched the past two years because I was behind them a few semesters on the island. Many are Canadians and many do not have a college degree and/or did Windsor premed and matched. And as you can see on the list, most are FM--->IM---> and then Psych. A few have surgery or anesth, but most matched into non-competitive specialties. And they did not have 240s, otherwise they would be in surgery and tougher specialties, like a few students on the list.

    If you don't know what list I am talking about, here it is Alumni

    You may recognize some of the names since they are likely from your class as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by WindsorGirl91 View Post
    BTW, windsor now requires a Bachelor's and MCAT to be admitted to the MD program.
    Do they enforce it strictly, though? It was supposed to be a requirement in 2010/2011 as well, but many students were admitted in to the MD program right out of high school or after a year of college, anyway.

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    Do they enforce it strictly, though? It was supposed to be a requirement in 2010/2011 as well, but many students were admitted in to the MD program right out of high school or after a year of college, anyway.[/QUOTE]

    yes, they have started to enforce it strictly starting from september of this year. I know 2 people already being turned down because of lack of bachelors degree and no mcat. Also, those from premed need to pass a comprehensive exam and an interview (for their maturity level) and even these have been strictly enforced. Another few people I've heard had been turned down to continue on to MD

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