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    With the senate now entirely Republican dominated (and with house of reps republican also it has lead to congress being republican majority), potentially a president who will be Republican, and the opening of so many us medical schools while residency positions is increasing ever so slightly this can be problematic for all non-US Citizens, including Canadians to match into residency in the US.

    The republicans have historically always been in favor of US-Citizen IMG's, wanting to close doors on non-US citizens. With all this in mind, and with federal funding of US residency programs (which is entirely dependent on congress), residency programs get more funding from the government if they report a higher percentage of their residents being US Citizens regardless of whether they were IMG or AMG's. So inherently residency programs will want to fill up their programs with US Citizens to get more funding. Also as you may all know, many states require a certain number of US Credit college hours if you are a US or Canadian citizen, so please be mindful of that as well.

    This means that non-us citizens international medical graduates residency options are much more limited. As an international med grad and non-US Citizen, your best interest lies in having a Democratic senate but for the next few years that has disappeared for now, so something to keep in mind as you future doctors plan to apply for residency.

    And you will be put in the same boat as those international students applying from SGU, Ross, AUC, Saba, Royal college of surgeons-Ireland, Trinity College, Sackler, Ben Gurion, the Polish medical schools, UQ-Queensland/Oschner, so it is a very big uphill battle for non-US Citizens

    The priority ranking is US Citizen US MD Schools > US Citizen DO Schools > US Citizen Sackler (dont believe me- check out their match list (ENT, Ortho a common sight)- US residency PD's have immense respect for Israel Med grads) > US Citizen Big 4/RCSI/UQ-Oschner = Non US Citizen US MD student > US Citizen non Big 4 Carrib/US Citizen Polish >>> non-US Citizen nonBig 4 > IMG from India/Africa/Pakistan/Middle East

    Its better to know and be aware of the situation than to be completely oblivious to it
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    I doubt this changes much. Canadians knew they were behind the 8 ball when they started. If they didn't, that's their fault.

    While what you're saying is true and it is better to acknowledge the situation rather than deny it and press onwards, it makes sense what the US is doing. And that will play a role in what students should do to improve their chances. I mean, it's kind of simple: crush the Steps with a 230+, but it's not quite that easy.

    For non US students that already have their Step 1 scores cemented, good or bad, there's not a whole lot they can do.

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    A 230 will simply not cut it for a non-US citizen non-US MD student these days in a highly competitive world we live in compounded by now a Republican Congress. A 240 is needed for these applicants. The Republicans are anti-immigration and anti-non US citizen IMG's. For a US Citizen IMG, having a republican dominated congress works a lot in their favor, but it is the worst nightmare for a non-US citizen in the midst of applying for residency
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    Quote Originally Posted by carribdoc View Post
    A 230 will simply not cut it for a non-US citizen non-US MD student these days in a highly competitive world we live in compounded by now a Republican Congress. A 240 is needed for these applicants. The Republicans are anti-immigration and anti-non US citizen IMG's. For a US Citizen IMG, having a republican dominated congress works a lot in their favor, but it is the worst nightmare for a non-US citizen in the midst of applying for residency
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    Have you matched or even applied for it as yet?

    Most of Windsor's grads are Canadian. The list on the CSA website? Predominantly Canadians. I assure you they matched with scores under 225, for the most part. Even US students are matching Internal Med. without cracking 220.

    Now you just sound like someone with an agenda against Republicans. If you are a non-US IMG scoring 240+, you are only at a slight disadvantage against a US student. The Syrians pump out more oncologists than they freaking do missiles. Indians dominate the rural IM and FM programs. IMGs apply at all levels of the specialty spectrum. Regardless of who is "in control."

    Just so you know, the mass emigration of Indian physicians to the US was during the time of Republican Presidents. I don't even know what the hell that has to do with anything, but don't make it THAT big of a political thing.

    For FM, IM, and other non-competitive fields, a 240 would let you stick your dong on the table the entire interview and still get the spot. There are always places that simply do not take IMG applicants or do not offer visas to non-US students, but then you just don't apply to those. Yes, it decreases your chances and options but, as I said before, you Canadians knew what you were signing up for in the beginning.

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    Only those programs which have a lot of federal funding (those tend to be elite programs such as mass general and columbia and duke etc) all ready will want to take Canadian students. But those programs which are desperate more money (while they will never publicly state they wont accept any international students) are simply not going to take them and have an all US citizen program so theu can report that their program has 100 percent us citizens increasing their federal funding.

    And you do realize that for even the worst fm program in the us, there are on average 1500 applicants for 8 seats. All have passed their steps. in that applicant pool there will be far more than 8 who got 240. Something to consider

    Other factors play a big role. Connections, citizenship, research, lors, interviewing skills. Its the whole package

    As for all the other indians who came a long time ago to the uS under republican party, times were very different then. Many more residency positions available than american grads and imgs applying than as compared to now- ie the ratio. Much mode federal momey for residency relatively then as comparef to now. And far less of a budget deficit. Those times were very different than now
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