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    New Windsor Academic Policies

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    These apply to the new students this semester and seems like they will apply to everyone else from next semester onwards. Unconfirmed (except for new students and current MD1 students).

    There are no longer final exams (which were previously 50% of your mark). The NBME which was previously worth 20% is the final now and is worth 30%. Heads up since the average on the NBME is pretty much always below 50% so a fail.

    The two block exams (mid-terms) which were previously worth 10% are now worth 30% each.

    So it's now NBME 30%, Block 1 30%, Block 2 30%

    No more re-takes for the new ones, and possibly no curves on the NBME.
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    Any change in policy for clinical students or students preparing for Step One exam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by medicineitis View Post
    Any change in policy for clinical students or students preparing for Step One exam?
    Well, if you have not taken Step 1 and it has been over six months since your MD5, you have about one month to take it before the school expels you for taking too long, regardless of your leave of absence date.

    For clinical students, you can no longer take core exams at the weekly meetings in Chicago. You will be taking them at Prometric centers, instead. I think this is better, to be honest. The values still stay the same.

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    Also, you need to have a total of 50% / 60% on the two blocks to even write the NBME (final)
    2. If you fail a course, there will no longer be retakes. You have to retake the entire semester.

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    Trust me, the NBME being the final is a good thing. It may sound exaggerated, but students should get their UWorld Qbank subscriptions now, regardless of the MD they're in, and start doing those questions and reviewing those answers all the time. Once you learn the principles from UW, including reading the explanations and connecting the dots there, NBMEs should be passable.

    The school knows better than to assign the % correct on the NBME as the percentage for that exam. If you pass the NBME with a score that correlates to a passing score on the Step, I'm sure they'll pass you for the semester. If you can pass an NBME but struggle with the Windsor block exams created by the professors there, there is something wrong with Windsor's exam, not you.

    So if buying UWorld is not an option now, start cracking on Pre Test questions for each subject, as they are also challenging questions, but not quite as hard as a QBank or the Step. But it's still something to assess your knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindsorGirl91 View Post
    Also, you need to have a total of 50% / 60% on the two blocks to even write the NBME (final)
    2. If you fail a course, there will no longer be retakes. You have to retake the entire semester.
    If anyone is wondering how Windsor will make money now that retakes are gone, I'm sure you pay a full semester's tuition of $4000 when you fail a semester. If retakes are $200 a piece (or whatever they are now), they will make the equivalent of 20 retakes from one student for repeating a semester, and then they will most likely kick them out because accreditation doesn't want students to remain stagnant with retakes if they can not pass classes. Some students did average 20 retakes, including retakes of retakes, during their time at Windsor, but that was much more rare. Now they can empty your pockets once or twice and still not get pinched by students getting kicked out.

    Holy moley, what a business. Although, this is the same thing Ross and SGU and probably other big Carib schools do, as well. It's just funny seeing Windsor finally follow suit, although I'm sure it's accreditation boards banging sticks on their heads like sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PnS11 View Post
    If anyone is wondering how Windsor will make money now that retakes are gone, I'm sure you pay a full semester's tuition of $4000 when you fail a semester. If retakes are $200 a piece (or whatever they are now), they will make the equivalent of 20 retakes from one student for repeating a semester, and then they will most likely kick them out because accreditation doesn't want students to remain stagnant with retakes if they can not pass classes. Some students did average 20 retakes, including retakes of retakes, during their time at Windsor, but that was much more rare. Now they can empty your pockets once or twice and still not get pinched by students getting kicked out.

    Holy moley, what a business. Although, this is the same thing Ross and SGU and probably other big Carib schools do, as well. It's just funny seeing Windsor finally follow suit, although I'm sure it's accreditation boards banging sticks on their heads like sheep.
    Precisely. Also, hopefully this will prevent the retakers from bringing the NBME score down for the whole class

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindsorGirl91 View Post
    Precisely. Also, hopefully this will prevent the retakers from bringing the NBME score down for the whole class
    An NBME score of 13/20 is considered high at Windsor, I hardly think that lack of re-takers will make enough of a difference to get the average to become a pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2900 View Post
    An NBME score of 13/20 is considered high at Windsor, I hardly think that lack of re-takers will make enough of a difference to get the average to become a pass.
    65% on an NBME is passing or near-passing, which is what 13/20 would be.

    You should take an NBME and see how difficult it truly is before determining what is "good" and what is "bad." 85%, or 17/20 would equate to a 230+ on the Step 1. 13/20 isn't phenomenal, but it is passing, give or take a few points. You don't take the Step with a barely-passing NBME score, but it is progress.

    If there is a curve, it may not be a ridiculous one, but I believe many other Carib schools do use a curve, even for NBMEs.

    Since it is still Basic Science, I presume the school will realize that students probably can't get a 65% on an NBME subject or comprehensive exam, so they may say those that break the 50% mark get a 12 or 13 out of 20, which is passing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2900 View Post
    An NBME score of 13/20 is considered high at Windsor, I hardly think that lack of re-takers will make enough of a difference to get the average to become a pass.
    Well speaking from personal experience and the others in our class, we all had NBMEs around 14-16 but our class average is a 6... so yes, the retakers are making a difference

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