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    Hi,

    I am interested in applying to this university for Fall entry. I graduated from a university in the United Kingdom and got into admission for medicine in a university there. Unfortunately, I could not afford to go at 27000 per year for five years, especially after paying for the first three years I did there. Hence, the main reason I am applying to this uni is the low cost of attendance. Ideally, I would go for the tested and true, but costly "Big Three" or AUA and MUA. I do still believe it is the student's efforts that make medical school.

    I have a few questions about this uni. There seem to be mixed reviews about it.

    1) How would current/former students rate the quality of teaching? How equipped is the library? Is there a library?!
    2) Is there any clinical exposure in First and Second years? Are there any opportunities to independently acquire these?
    3) How reliable is internet on the island? Does the school have subscriptions to Scientific Journals (important for independent study, or is it just textbooks?)
    4) Is there any research in the University?
    5) Are there any chances for rotations/residency in the UK?

    I know some of these issues have been overflogged here but please, indulge me.

    Thanks and God bless.

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    1. Well, professors are teaching Step 1 material without ever having passed the exam. Some may have attempted it but we don't know the results. The fact that they're still on the island may still speak volumes. You may pick up useful tidbits here and there, but you won't be taught precisely what is need for the Step.

    2. Years? You mean semesters? When you finish fourth semester, which I guess is second year, you have fifth semester. If you do it on the island, you do get the clinical exposure. In the States, not at all.

    Someone that did it on the island might be able to chime in, but I don't think it was anything spectacular. As a sidenote, the physicians at the hospitals on the island said that Windsor students were not competent and poorly prepared for clinicals. Not sure if that was just in regards to the fifth semester students, which isn't technically clinical rotations.

    3. It's great. On campus, it is spotty but that is the doings of admin or the IT guy, who is not really sure what he is doing. But in your apartment, it is actually rather fast and stable.

    No scientific journals, lol. This is not a UK/US/Canadian medical school. It is the bare-bones to get your five semesters of "time" done prior to writing the Step. For a UK student, even that exam is probably irrelevant, if you plan on going back to the UK. But no, you don't enjoy the amenities students at US and UK schools will enjoy.

    4. I don't know if you would call it that, but it is not advertised or pushed on the students by admin, so I doubt it's something worth writing home about. I supposed if you really wanted to do research on the island there are opportunities with the school.

    5. Last I heard, Windsor lost UK accreditation because of hours spent in class, or something like that. It could be a lot of rumors, so I suggest simply calling the school and asking. Admin is always dodgy on questions, whether it be something as serious as accreditation and grades or simply if the daal their wives packed them for lunch was hot enough. So good luck with that, but that is something that you really should ask before coming here.


    My honest advice? Sell a kidney or a lung and go to a UK school. If that is still not an option, go to a "proper" Carib school like AUC/Ross/SGU/SABA. They give loans to US and Canadian students, but I'm not sure about UK. Windsor just gives it to Canadian students. So you need to gauge the jump here before you leap, because you don't want to fall short on motivation or finances before making it to the other side.

    Windsor and the island of St. Kitts is not paradise, so definitely take that into account as well, as you'll be spending four years on the island, unless you can do rotations in the UK. But, like I said, because of accreditation issues, you may not even be able to practice in the UK with a Windsor degree, so choose carefully.

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    Trust, I would definitely prefer to do the UK or one of the awesome Carib schools but I doubt my kidney and lung, as healthy as both are, will give me over $150000. Not even on the black market, lol. -Sigh-, decisions, decisions. Well, thanks for this! Definitely confirming my initial reserves about the school. In a few years, it may well change but I've gotta attend now, innit?

    Really bothered about the lack of clinical exposure though. Ah well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scared_medic View Post
    Hi,

    I am interested in applying to this university for Fall entry. I graduated from a university in the United Kingdom and got into admission for medicine in a university there. Unfortunately, I could not afford to go at 27000 per year for five years, especially after paying for the first three years I did there. Hence, the main reason I am applying to this uni is the low cost of attendance. Ideally, I would go for the tested and true, but costly "Big Three" or AUA and MUA. I do still believe it is the student's efforts that make medical school.

    I have a few questions about this uni. There seem to be mixed reviews about it.

    1) How would current/former students rate the quality of teaching? How equipped is the library? Is there a library?!
    2) Is there any clinical exposure in First and Second years? Are there any opportunities to independently acquire these?
    3) How reliable is internet on the island? Does the school have subscriptions to Scientific Journals (important for independent study, or is it just textbooks?)
    4) Is there any research in the University?
    5) Are there any chances for rotations/residency in the UK?

    I know some of these issues have been overflogged here but please, indulge me.

    Thanks and God bless.

    I agree with the majority of what PnS11 said.

    1. The teaching is second rate. At the time I was on the island (2 years ago), most of the teachers were waiting to obtain residency in the states. Some of them held full time positions at the school though. In general, the education was decent. However, as you said, it's the students efforts that make the difference. Despite what A LOT of Windsor students say, the school provides you with a decent foundation that you as the student needs to expand on. Don't go down thinking you're going to get a grade A education like in the US, Canada, or UK. Because you'll be sorely disappointed. But the education ultimately is decent as long as you put in the time.

    2. There is not any formal clinical exposure on the island. You learn the basics of an H&P. But you won't be seeing a hospital until clinics (or 5th semester if done on the island). 5th semester on the island I'm told is fairly decent in terms of exposure. I did mine in the states, so what I know is from word of mouth. As with any hospital or clinic, you can volunteer to shadow a physician if you have the time and desire to.

    3. Internet sometimes gets spotty, but overall it is good and quick enough to Skype/Facetime.

    4. Nothing formal WITHIN the university itself. However, you have to do a 4 week research elective that mostly entails writing a research proposal if you're off the island, and supposedly partaking in actual research if you're on the island. As always, you can volunteer your time in a research facility once you're in an area that provides it.

    5. Supposedly (as PnS11 said) we lost our accreditation in the UK for whatever reason. If you wish to ultimately end up back in the UK, I would choose a school that has their accreditation. However, there are a few people in the school you could call and ask. If you're interested, PM me and I'll give you the number one person's name and phone number.


    At the end of the day, Windsor does produce physicians. Albeit a small number, but physicians nonetheless. They don't have the best facilities, teaching, or rotation sites of the Caribbean schools. But it's inexpensive by comparison. So what can you really expect? If you've got the money to go to another school, do it. If not, Windsor is a viable option. But most Caribbean schools will go by the wayside in the next few years anyways, so choose quickly.
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    I guess I didn't go deep enough with the research aspect at Windsor. What I am saying can mostly be verified by the Windsor website so don't be afraid to look for yourself.

    The school has a research facility on the island and one in California (rumored to be at USC's campus, which is a legit-as-f**k private university). They do research on many different topics but on the island, at least, the research is focused on cancer. I think hepatic or pancreatic cancer, because it was rumored the president of the school was battling that some time ago.

    Beginning with MD4, students have the opportunity to go California and complete their fourth semester there while doing research. You will have to have those students chime in and let you know of their experiences, because I do not know. I think they were exempt from MD5 after that or they remained in Cali for fifth semester as well. I'm not sure how legit the research is, but I'm sure if it is at USC's facilities like the schools claims it to be, it'll be something you could put on your CV.

    The island has the facility as well but I have not heard of students doing work there; it is mostly PhDs doing research and I don't think they even ventured on to campus to meet/speak with students. So I don't think there's anything for you there.

    So during your third semester, look in to doing your fourth in Cali for research. The schools chooses the students based on merit, so you want to be as involved and have the highest grades as possible.

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    1) How would current/former students rate the quality of teaching? How equipped is the library? Is there a library?!: Teaching is good by the Indian professors. There is no formal library, computers are either inaccessible to internet or never on in the first place. Except when they want you to register...then they are. Like 100 computers no one can use except for registration or for NBME exams. There are no books, just 10 or so tables.
    2) Is there any clinical exposure in First and Second years? Are there any opportunities to independently acquire these? Not that I know of. AMSA has suturing clinics I think.
    3) How reliable is internet on the island? Does the school have subscriptions to Scientific Journals (important for independent study, or is it just textbooks?) Get your own place with your own internet connection and you will have no problem. The school has you sharing internet with 10 other people in "housing" (which is really just their contracts with some hotels 20 minutes away from the school), I was losing my mind with how slow it was. There are no subscriptions to scientific journals that I know of.
    4) Is there any research in the University? as far as I know, they discontinued Cali for MD4's, it is now for MD5's unless it has changed within the last 3 months.
    5) Are there any chances for rotations/residency in the UK? Not that I know of, they lost their UK approval because classes didn't last long enough. Now you have to stay at school for like 9 hours with hopes of gaining it back. So no UK approval, just really long days. Oh joy.

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    Thanks everyone! Well, this program may not be what I'm looking for at this time. I think I'll cough out the extra thousands and go to MUA since I still can't afford the best schools.
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    I would look into some other Caribbean schools before MUA...it's pretty steep in price to go there and has the same accreditation as schools half the price/half as rigorous. There were a lot of kids that transferred over to Windsor from MUA while I was there that were very unhappy with how grueling the program was. At Windsor, you don't repeat classes...you just retake the final for $100 and just about everybody passes eventually. The lower tier/cheap medical schools, like Windsor, do this. You just don't want to "get stuck" on the island, you can worry about really learning the material for your board exam (or at least that's how I feel). It just depends on what you want to do...keep researching. Atlantic or CMU are the schools I'm thinking of for myself. They probably have UK accreditation too, I would check it out.

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    Thing is MUA seems to be on some (obscure but) comparable level with the best but very expensive schools. I wouldn't just like to pass exams and then be sub-par with clinicals. It seems MUA does give some good basic sciences teaching as opposed to Windsor and the cheaper schools. I got admission into AIMU, St Lucia but declined after reading many unsavory reviews about the program there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notatroll View Post
    At Windsor, you don't repeat classes...you just retake the final for $100 and just about everybody passes eventually. The lower tier/cheap medical schools, like Windsor, do this.
    Right... and this helps you in the future (when actually taking the USMLE, or... um... when practicing medicine) HOW?!?!?!

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