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    Still very confused with ny!!!

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    I have read on this forum that NY residency is possible "ONLY if you have done all of your rotations in the country of your medical school"

    I checked NYU's Internal Medicine residency program. (medicine.med.nyu.edu/education/im-residency-homepage/apply-online) and they clearly state at the bottom.

    "We only interview foreign medical school graduates who have SIGNIFICANT CLINICAL EXPERIENCE IN THE US and have done research."

    Isn't this somewhat contradictory?? Then what's the point of doing rotations in the "home country?????" Can someone post a link for this "home country thing.
    Last edited by MDCHICK; 06-06-2012 at 06:19 PM.
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    Here's another. "IMGs must have had clinical experience in the United States in the form of direct patient care. Observerships do not qualify."

    See Number 7 (medicine.med.nyu.edu/education/im-residency-homepage/faqs#f).
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    THE NYU Website reference to IMG deals with (for example) students who are born/raised/completed their education in Pakistan, India, or other Country in the world - i.e. whose schools generally do not have any US clinical rotations.


    This topic has been beaten to death. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.


    In short: if you want to do residency in new york, stay in st kitts for your rotations - maximum of 12 weeks of electives may be done in NY - but there is no guarantee because NYU Lagune looks for US experience and research.


    If you do rotations in USA you are effectively ineligible for Residency at NYU Lagune.

    If you want to do Residency in New York, As an active student of Windsor you CAN NOT do rotations in New York. Period. Even with the 12 week Rule.

    If you are really desperate to apply for residency in New York, delay NRMP for one year and do additional clerkships IN New York but as a graduate with an MD - which is also unlikely.

    ALL YOUR CLERKSHIPS DURING MEDICAL SCHOOL MUST BE COMPLETED ON ST. KITTS to do residency in new york. -- Even then you probably will not match in NYU Lagune of all residencies in New York. (first hand advice from a friend who is a resident in new york currently).

    Once Windsor gets NY State Approval, then the game is different. Until then, the chances for matching in New York are SLIM for any Windsor Graduate.

    The reason is NOT because windsor students are not competitive - but because of the nature of the process - and the jargon in the way the laws are worded.
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    THE NYU Website reference to IMG deals with (for example) students who are born/raised/completed their education in Pakistan, India, or other Country in the world - i.e. whose schools generally do not have any US clinical rotations.

    Sorry, but I disagree with how you are excluding Windsor from this Category.


    because NYU Lagune looks for US experience and research.

    if you do rotations in USA you are effectively ineligible for Residency at NYU Lagune.


    You just contradicted yourself Merlindoc. Also, I just checked another program [ Albany Medical College Internal Med], and they require 6 months US (or UK clinical) rotations.

    My point is that what the NY Residency programs require, seems to contradict what the NY State board requires.
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    MerlinDoc is correct.

    Look at it from a different perspective MDCHICK.

    The programs themselves DO want people that have US experience, but keep in mind that the programs are not the legislators. This mostly applies to the schools that are (as MerlinDoc mentioned) made to train students to stay within their home country and also those schools that cater to bringing students into the us for residency (but are also on the NY approval list)

    This is the EXACT reason that there is such a list. To prevent the displacement of US students from attending residencies in NY. They want to make sure that the schools that send their graduates to the US are filtered and have it in such a way that no US grads are prevented from getting a residency in NY just b/c every carib student decides to apply and compete there.

    The law is almost exclusively to schools in the carib & UAG etc that would send its grads to the US.

    The requirements you're looking at are things that mostly benefit schools already approved by NY and thus are even heavier filters b/c they expect you to be approved & have a minimum USCE.

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    Also keep in mind that most of what your reading is preferential but in most places not a full requirement also.

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    "If you want to do Residency in New York, As an active student of Windsor you CAN NOT do rotations in New York. Period. Even with the 12 week Rule. "

    Hi Merlindoc, that's a pretty strong statement that we shouldn't do NY rotations period. Could you elaborate, or provide a link or evidence to support that statement.

    These residency programs have listed "must have" requirements on their websites, and anyone who ignores those requirements is just looking for trouble. I doubt they 're just discriminating against Windsor students as you seem to imply.

    @Houmd,..My point is that if you try to meet the legislative requirements of 12 weeks max, then you kinda disqualify yourself from the some residency programs e.g. Albany College which requires 6 months US/UK experience .

    Also you stated that those requirements are "preferential but in most places not a full requirement" . Do you have any basis for that statement? Are you just going to disregard the requirements these programs have posted, and hope they 'll offer you an interview?
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    MDCHICK,

    I'm gonna be a little harsh but don't take it personally.

    I know this preferential in most places but not a full requirement because I have looked up enough programs to see this....if you keep looking up every residency program in NY you will realize that most of these places say USCE preferred but not required. That is to what I was referring. If you had looked up more programs you would have instantly known to what I was referring. Just b/c you found a couple programs that require USCE doesn't mean that ALL programs in NY require it as well. It's not a secret that USCE is beneficial to obtaining residency, it's just that NY has purposely made this legislature to limit the amount of IMGs training post-graduate in their state.

    And yes, it is contra-intuitive to have legislature require one thing and programs expect another. That's exactly the POINT. I said that in my previous post so I will explain it further. The legislature tries to LIMIT the amount of IMGs/FMGs from entering NY residencies so that more positions are available to US grads. This is EXACTLY how they do it. They know that the programs are going to want someone with US experience so they make it so that only a few schools can actually obtain this experience and still be eligible. Thus limiting the number of graduates eligible for licensure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDCHICK View Post
    1. Absolutely avoid clinicals from agencies/doctors offices. The American Association of Family physicians, as well as most residency programs are increasely aware of these useless observerships/clerkships, and look bad on your residency application.
    2. The LOR's from physicians who claim to be affiliated with teaching hospitals, but won't let u near the hospital are useless.
    The residency programs will phone the hospitals and have no record of you doing rotations in those hospitals.

    Here's a advice from the American Association of Family Physicians.
    Experts Offer Advice for IMGs Applying to U.S. Family Medicine Residencies -- AAFP News Now -- American Academy of Family Physicians

    Or

    http://www.stfm.org/fmhub/fm2011/January/Perry43.pdf

    2. My advice, arrange your own rotations at a proper teaching hospital, or stay at the island for rotations.

    3. Don't say you weren't warned.

    Can you explan why you are directing students to stay at the island in your previous post?

    My proof? "To be eligible for NYS Residency, student must complete rotations in country of medical school"

    There has never been any PGY-1 Resident in NEW YORK from Windsor. You want it explicitly written? You're not gonna get it. Why? Because of the way these rules are written by lawyers, residencies and licensing boards.

    BTW, You just said if you try to meet the legislative requirements of 12 weeks max, then you kinda disqualify yourself from the some residency program. So when I said the same thing, its wrong, but now that you're saying it you are right? LOL.

    The rules are written to give US Grads and people with US experience - first preference. ... and to limit IMGs in general.
    Keep in mind different schools have their own rules.

    If there was a global rule regarding this, that would be great... but thats not going to happen anytime soon.
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    Best way to practice in NYS: Finish Basics, Rip Step 1, do clinicals in greenbooks in USA, Rip step 2, graduate, get residency in another state, then get licensed, then apply for a job in NYS... yup thats the only realistic way we can be able to practice in NY. Don't even bother with NY residency cuz you aren't going to get it. Forget about Cali too and whichever states follow Cali.
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