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    dave2626 is offline Member 539 points
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    Where to do 4th year rotations

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    I thought I'd share my experience since I was fairly clueless a few months ago.

    IF you have completed your basics: Medicine, Surgery, Pediatrics, OBGYN, Psych, and passed step 1 then this will apply.

    I simply drove to the academic medical center I wanted to rotate in (UT-Southwestern in Dallas and UT-Houston in Houston). At southwestern in Dallas, I simply went to the various departments that I wanted to complete a rotation in and asked random faculty members that happened to be in their offices if I could rotate there. I told them a bit about myself and what my clinical experiences had been like and why i was interested in rotating with them and then competed paperwork that their secretary had me fill out.

    In houston I had to go see Jamie Munsinger in the office of student affairs and fill out paperwork which she forwarded to the department. UT-Houston rotations cost $250 to apply, UT-Southwestern rotations cost $25.

    UT Houston needed original paperwork that Mr. Reddy has to sign and send snail mail back so if you want to rotate in houston get on the ball early because it takes about a month for the Windsor to get your paperwork mailed back.

    In any case, this model probably works in one permutation or another at various other institutions, I'm currently trying to set up a rotation at Shands Hospital in Gainesville, FL - a little more complicated since they have a no non-LCME student policy.

    In any case, when you get a rotation set up - WORK YOUR BUTT OFF! - I definitely worked harder than any of the UT-Southwestern medical students (anticipate always arriving at or before 5-6am and never leaving until after 6-7pm) and now i have 2 letters of reccomendation for my Neurology application. Also, if you get a chance to take the NBME Shelf exam - study your butt off for it but definitely take it. Its yet another chance to show that program that you know your stuff.

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    wow. very interesting so where did u end up getting the rotations? and i thought foreign medical graduates could not practice in the state of TEXAS?

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    dave2626 are u a windsor student ??
    if so, y did u opt out of windsor clinicals ?

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    Texas...my home state is on a case by case basis. There are IMG's that have been licensed there. Here is the the copy of the eligibility requirements on the Texas medical Board site.

    155.003. General Eligibility Requirements
    (a) To be eligible for a license under this chapter, an applicant must present proof satisfactory to the board that the applicant:
    (1) is at least 21 years of age;
    (2) is of good professional character and has not violated Section 164.051, 164.052, or 164.053;
    (3) has completed:
    (A) at least 60 semester hours of college courses, other than courses in medical school, that are acceptable to The University of Texas at Austin for credit on a bachelor of arts degree or a bachelor of science degree;
    (B) the entire primary, secondary, and premedical education required in the country of medical school
    graduation, if the medical school is located outside the United States or Canada; or
    (C) substantially equivalent courses as determined by board rule;
    (4) is a graduate of a medical school located in the United States or Canada and approved by the board;
    (5) has either:
    (A) successfully completed one year of graduate medical training approved by the board in the United States or Canada; or
    (B) graduated from a medical school located outside the United States or Canada and has successfully completed three years of graduate medical training approved by the board in the United States or Canada;
    (6) has passed an examination accepted or administered by the board; and
    (7) has passed a Texas medical jurisprudence examination as determined by board rule.
    (b) All medical or osteopathic medical education an applicant receives in the United States must be accredited by an accrediting body officially recognized by the United States Department of Education as the accrediting body for medical education leading to the doctor of medicine degree or the doctor of osteopathy degree. This subsection does not apply to postgraduate medical education or training.
    (c) An applicant who is unable to meet the requirement established by Subsection (b) may be eligible for an unrestricted license if the applicant:
    (1) received medical education in a hospital or teaching institution sponsoring or participating in a program of graduate medical education accredited by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, the American Osteopathic Association, or the board in the same subject as the medical or osteopathic medical education as defined by board rule; or
    (2) is specialty board certified by a specialty board approved by the American Osteopathic Association or the American Board of Medical Specialties.
    (d) In addition to the other requirements prescribed by this subtitle, the board may require an applicant to comply with other requirements that the board considers appropriate.
    (e) An applicant is not eligible for a license if:
    (1) the applicant holds a medical license that is currently restricted for cause, canceled for cause, suspended for cause, or revoked by a state, a province of Canada, or a uniformed service of the United States;
    (2) an investigation or a proceeding is instituted against the applicant for the restriction, cancellation, suspension, or revocation in a state, a province of Canada, or a uniformed service of the United States; or
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    wow. very interesting so where did u end up getting the rotations? and i thought foreign medical graduates could not practice in the state of TEXAS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by windsorMD View Post
    dave2626 are u a windsor student ??
    if so, y did u opt out of windsor clinicals ?
    Yep, I'm a windsor student, long story but I'm a 4th year here now. I didnt exactly opt out, I just want to do residency in Texas or NORTH Florida so I've been doing as many rotations there as possible.


    Also... here is the reason why its hard to do a rotation in the Gator Nation (Shands hospital - Gainesville)

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    "As a general rule, the College of Medicine has a policy of not accepting students from non-LCME approved medical schools for clerkships or electives. However, if a faculty member has a personal reason to sponsor an international student, the faculty member should contact Dr. Pat Duff in the Office of Student Affairs, who will assist faculty in following the guidelines on the handout. A copy of this policy statement will be emailed to all College of Medicine faculty"


    Similar to my experience at the University of Texas - Southwestern (Dallas), I laid out my case in a well constructed email to the neurology program director listing my rotation experience and step 1, 2CK and CS scores and why I wanted to rotate there last night.

    Just got an email back this morning indicating I have a sponsor and can rotate at Shands. So 3 months from now I'll drive a 1000 miles to florida from dallas and work my tail off.

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    awesome info!!

    Just an off question, how were were 3rd year rotations and where did the school put you? (I am assuming those ones you cant set up on your own)

    Did you write your step1 before you started any rotations??

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    from his previous posts, it looks as if dave2626 is a former US med student, and has transferred to 4th year rotations with Windsor

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    That is correct, I didnt really transfer, I messed up. Needless to say, I'm incredibly thankful that Windsor has given me the chance to complete my studies.

    I just arranged an Emergency medicine rotation for this month at John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort worth and Family medicine next month in at UT-Knoxville.

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    Since your basic scienc courses were done in a US school, does that mean your situation is different from the other grads from wondsor?????

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    Is there any loans for clinicals....

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