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    I need some advice. I took my step for the 2nd time in Jan. Unfortunately Didnt make it.

    As much as I study doing UW and reading from kaplan books. It seems like my nbme score has steaded out around 370. No matter how much I study and what I study it doesnt seem to improve. I think if I get 100 or 150 more on NBME I will hopefully pass. At the score of 370 nbme I guess I was border line giving me a 50/50% chance of passing. The reason I gave it was because like I said my NBME wasnt increasing not matter what so I felt that that was as much as I can do.

    My UW score is 58% (2nd time around) and have 67% unused left

    What could I do to increase my score? Obviously doing questions and reading is not working for me.

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    Hi, I wish I could offer you advice but i am in no position to do that. I have a question about your UW score, that 58% ave, you're getting that after having done all the UW q's once before? I am asking because i am kind of scared of not passing myself. I just started UW and I have a 60% ave and like 80% left. I am doing timed, random unused q's. I also took the Kaplan Simulated exam and got 66%. I still haven't done any nbme's maybe next week i'll do one of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussianJoo View Post
    Hi, I wish I could offer you advice but i am in no position to do that. I have a question about your UW score, that 58% ave, you're getting that after having done all the UW q's once before? I am asking because i am kind of scared of not passing myself. I just started UW and I have a 60% ave and like 80% left. I am doing timed, random unused q's. I also took the Kaplan Simulated exam and got 66%. I still haven't done any nbme's maybe next week i'll do one of those.
    Hey, Yeah that is my average the 2nd time around with over 60% remaining.

    My best advice for you would be to see how you do on NBME. Everyone in these forums say they are the best predictors and my score on my exam was almost the same one. Do the NBME timed and DO NOT look up the questions in books while doing it.

    Than you will know if you are ready or not. Goal should be to get 400+ on NBME.

    My issue is on how to increase it because for some reason my score is not increasing. While doing questions and reading I know and understand the material but something happens when Im doing questions and im not sure what it is.

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    My issue is on how to increase it because for some reason my score is not increasing. While doing questions and reading I know and understand the material but something happens when Im doing questions and im not sure what it is.
    i guess the point now is to identify what you are doing wrong...
    rushing thro the question? misreading the qs and ans?

    the good thing is that you are understanding the stuff, so now you have to figure out what you are doing wrong during the exam itself

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaywalk81 View Post
    i guess the point now is to identify what you are doing wrong...
    rushing thro the question? misreading the qs and ans?

    the good thing is that you are understanding the stuff, so now you have to figure out what you are doing wrong during the exam itself

    good luck
    Im not sure man, I have been trying to figure it out. If I knew what it was im sure my score would improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drsc View Post
    I need some advice. I took my step for the 2nd time in Jan. Unfortunately Didnt make it.

    As much as I study doing UW and reading from kaplan books. It seems like my nbme score has steaded out around 370. No matter how much I study and what I study it doesnt seem to improve. I think if I get 100 or 150 more on NBME I will hopefully pass. At the score of 370 nbme I guess I was border line giving me a 50/50% chance of passing. The reason I gave it was because like I said my NBME wasnt increasing not matter what so I felt that that was as much as I can do.

    My UW score is 58% (2nd time around) and have 67% unused left

    What could I do to increase my score? Obviously doing questions and reading is not working for me.

    Read First Aid a few times and listen to Goljan every night (let it put you to sleep) and weekends.

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    Dear friend
    Based on my humble experience for what I have seen in the step1 forum I will give you my point of view:
    A 370 in NBME means that you have a really good idea for the exam and that you have some areas that are really good.
    I have found out that people actually improve their score if they go over the internal medicine book of Kaplan for step2ck, I know that sounds crazy but the exam will ask you the basic from a clinical situation, sometimes we do not know the DX or what disease they are talking about and from there they ask WHAT EVER they think we should understand. Goljan do a very good job explaining the pathophysiology.

    Also sometimes there are little things that we do not know from each subject that actually will add up, for example:

    Lets say that you take Microbiology and you take a Peace of paper and start writing the things you know about micro YES I KNOW very long to do. You might find out that you do not know very well about:
    1- The basics of how the bacteria Grow
    2- Side effects of TB drugs
    3- The exact function of each part of the bacteria
    4- Which viruses are RNA
    5- You find out that you have a general idea about Hepatitis but actually do not know everything about hepatitis, like Hepatitis B can also give crioglobulenemia(yes more frequent in Hepatitis C)
    Which Hepatitis is the most frequent one and you might say B when is actually A
    Also you find out that you did not have a clue what cat scratch disease was, and that about fungus you only had a general idea.

    I will stop here.
    So if the 370 was based only in Microbiology and you now figure all this out, then you learned it and understand it your score probably would go to the 450+ in the NBME

    This was just an example.
    I personally think that UW is far the best tool there is to prepare for the exam, I do not get paid for saying this The problem is that sometimes we do questions the wrong way, let me explain
    You get Usmle World and you start doing questions like crazy, you see which one you got right and which one you got wrong, read a little the explanation and wala to the next 50 questions.
    You MUST I repeat MUST take notes from Usmle World, Your own notes are much better and more important than the ones a friend can give you or you can find in the INTERNET because is your notes.
    50 Questions of UW can take you if you go question by question understanding why the other ones are wrong and why the correct one is correct and taking notes about 5-6 hours, with time you will do about 2-3 hours for 50 questions. Then you read your notes and after finding something you never herad before and reading and understanding their explanation go to your book find that topic and go over it.
    Is long and tedious but you WILL LEARN and after you go over the UW like that 100% then you repeat it, and you will just read in your notes.

    ALSO you need First AID, on it you can write some things that are only found in UW, you add it to the FA. YOU MUST MASTER FA.
    To start go over your profile for the exam and start with your lowest subject and system and start from there, the faster way to increase your NBME score is to raise your grade in your weak areas.

    Also use tommy concepts here they will help you alot ALOT they are easy understandable and very HY is a change of Pace. I remember 100 tommy concepts a day will keep FAIL away, long time saying in the forum.
    May I ask in which NBME exam you gt that score of 370? and what was your USMLE score?

    The USMLE exam are the biggest you can find specially the Step1.

    I hope you have not gone into a hepatic coma after this long reply, I want to tell you that when I was preparing for my exam I also need a lot of help and that was when Tommy and this website help me alot.

    Also have in mind you need to be around beautifully people to support you and help you during your journey of passing all the exams

    GOD bless and take care
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    why even bother with the obvious. Just know where you are need it and where you can help the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMG SURVIVOR View Post
    May I ask in which NBME exam you gt that score of 370? and what was your USMLE score?
    NBME 1 370
    NBME 2 a week before exam 350
    USMLE SCORE was 178

    I have done other NBME 3 and 4 as well and they were around 350 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drsc View Post
    NBME 1 370
    NBME 2 a week before exam 350
    USMLE SCORE was 178

    I have done other NBME 3 and 4 as well and they were around 350 as well.
    For pharma take First Aid and learn it really good.
    We have a ValueMD Medical Schools Forum - USMLE Step 1, Free USMLE Question Qbank, Tommyk's Step 1 Concepts
    They are questions that might seem BORING and tedious to do, but you will be 100% sure you know FA inside and out, also is another way of doing FA.
    You must look at your weak areas and study them really hard.
    The main problem when you have to study for the exam again is that you just feel depress looking at the material again
    So you need new ways of motivating you and go over the material, tommy k is untill today THE BEST tool to go over the exam material, learn, understand the basics and get some suggestions at the same time.

    Do not get me wrong You need to review the same material you have because you already has connection in your brain, but to get a fesh start I strongly recommend tommy k concepts.
    After you have done at least 2,000 of them, then you try to repeat them and cover the answer and try to think what is the answer.
    You will learn alot.
    Also you go Over the FA questions we have here, to make sure you have FA stock in your head.
    With these 2 simple things you will have most of the basics things, understand more and able to answer the easy questions and the 2-3 jump questions.
    Go over your WEAK AREAS first, just look what is your weakest system or subject and go over it. USE GOLJAN lectures for that. You can hear him at least 3 hours per day, 1 hour of tommy and 1 hour of FA.

    Read you notes, and try to read the material ALL OVER AGAIN, you will find things that were in your exam and say I need to know this or you will say they ask alot about this.
    After you have gone over all the subjects and systems you can start doing questions.
    Go over UW because is the best tool to prepare for the exam.
    In my humble opinion after you have done this and my previous post suggestions, you will score at least 430+
    Is not easy is really hard.
    I love you to, and do not worry the same way I help you, people are helping me, that is the reason of this website
    GOD Bless and take care
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMG SURVIVOR View Post
    For pharma take First Aid and learn it really good.
    We have a ValueMD Medical Schools Forum - USMLE Step 1, Free USMLE Question Qbank, Tommyk's Step 1 Concepts
    They are questions that might seem BORING and tedious to do, but you will be 100% sure you know FA inside and out, also is another way of doing FA.
    You must look at your weak areas and study them really hard.
    The main problem when you have to study for the exam again is that you just feel depress looking at the material again
    So you need new ways of motivating you and go over the material, tommy k is untill today THE BEST tool to go over the exam material, learn, understand the basics and get some suggestions at the same time.

    Do not get me wrong You need to review the same material you have because you already has connection in your brain, but to get a fesh start I strongly recommend tommy k concepts................
    Hey thanks for spending soo much time and writing these long replys for me. Your AWSOME...

    I had printed out the Tommy K concepts. I think I had about 1400 or 1500 of them. I know there are more. I did go over them before and made notes in my 2006 first aid along with notes from UW and kaplan.

    Im not sure if that was the right way of doing it or not but my score still was the same.

    Yesterday I went out and bought the 2008 First Aid because everyone tells me the exam changes year to year and minor changes might help.

    So now I guess I can do Tommy K. and the FA questions on the site but how would you recommend me doing them? Should I make notes in the new FA? And than go back and review the same material at the end of the day?

    I usually study at a collage near my houe. It takes me about a 1 hour each way to get there. So I usually start my day of studying around 7 or 8 am. I take a lunch break and go get food around 12 and 1pm. And then study till 5:30 or 6pm and go home (taking me another hour). Ofcourse I get up to go to the restroom and stuff in between. But even though this might be a decent amount of time to study for me I still does not feel enough.

    I do agree TOMMY K is very good. But I would request his concepts being organized by topics and or subjects. I know while doing them he did try to organize them by like immuno and stuff. But maybe like on the site we can have a option to go to tommys concept by going to immuno only or like cardio or something. Maybe this might be something to look into.

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