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    MUA vs UMSH

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    Hello, I have a decision to make. Both of these schools looks like they have a solid program. UMSH is started by the Ross family (aka Ross University) and comes with Georgia state approval. MUA also has state approvals and federal loan options. I talked to UMSH and they are working to get cali approved in the next year, they told me that president Ross is working with california to get things moving. MUA is also trying to get cali approved. But I just can't decide between these schools.

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    I am currently at UMHS and I can say that I like it here. The professors are really good and you get to actually learn a lot in class instead of having to teach yourselves everything. The school is expanding in terms of class sizes but is still relatively small (150 is the largest class size which comes in fall). The university is still far from getting Cali but Florida and NY approvals are expected in a couple of years or so. The advantages MUA has are Federal loans and more state approvals, as well as being more established due to being older. But you really can't go wrong with UMHS either. In the end, it depends on your priorities. For me, the priorities was actually learning in class and for that you need good faculty, and so far with UMHS, that has been the case.

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    I went to MUA and I would choose MUA hands down. I know a few classmates who transferred to UMHS for greener pastures and for some things didn't work out. I did not attend UMHS so I can't comment on the quality of education, but MUA is a solid school.

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    Seriously, learning in class?

    I went to MUA, and I don't think it matters where you go; if you remember 10% of what you learn in a given lecture, that's pretty good. Any student knows that most learning takes place outside of class, through repetition, and then repetition of the same material in a next term class, from a different perspective in a different subset or area of focus. However you do it, medicine, and basic sciences especially takes a lot of repetition. I must say I'm impressed with UMHS match list.
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    I think you are mixing memorizing with learning. For me they are two different things. Memorizing just involves repetition of known information in order to store it in your brain. Learning is actually understanding the processes that go on in medicine. For that, having a good professor who can explain the concepts well is a big plus. Some people can read and understand everything so they don't technically need to go to class. But most of us are visual or auditory learners who understand things better when someone explains to us. But yes, I do agree that repetition is the key to remember the vast amount of information being taught to us. Both are important and if you learn the material in class itself, you can spend more time of your own in memorizing it.

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    Hey Asinine, thanks for the clarification. I totally get that doctors can't be monkeys who have memorized facts. To pass course exams, shelf exams, and step exams, and to ultimately be a clinician, it takes a high degree of working knowledge and basic medical reasoning skills. Call that process of the assumption of knowledge what you will, but my main point is that quality of teaching is probably not the main deciding factor to choose your Caribbean med school. I can attest that UMHS nor MUA has only excellent professors/teachers. Case in point, Dr. R who teaches some type of chem at UMHS, was a nightmare in biochem in 2007 at MUA. Literally everyone was angry about how much time he spent talking about his private accomplishments, and his Nobel prize friend. Also, how about the differences in Islands; St Kitts has more of everything, including crime. How about the transition into clinical years. Is there a lag time in getting into clinical rotations, are there enough rotations (a common problem for Caribbean students), is there a shelf exam required before the step 1? (onerous as it is, it does improve step 1 pass rate). Differences considered, I don't think a prospective student would go bad in either school.
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