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    No residencies in 2015 for IMGs????

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    Does anyone know of the articles and discussions going around about how there will be no available residencies for foreign med graduates in 2015? I keep reading how they bumped up the number of American medical school seats and are phasing our foreign grads. What is the likelihood of placing, if decent scores are obtained? Hoping to do the match in 2015, but now I am beginning to have doubts.
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    you should be a but worried…the projection is that by 2015, there will be a 1:1 parity for AMGs to residency spots. It doesn't mean that there will be no spots available to I/FMGs but rest assured, the number of AMGs matching is not going to drop more than the current 93-94% matching…leaving a lot less spots for those that are not AMGs…DOs, IMGs, FMGs…meaning that as an IMGs, one needs to have no red flags to be able to compete…and apply widely and broadly…but even then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokshana View Post
    you should be a but worried…the projection is that by 2015, there will be a 1:1 parity for AMGs to residency spots. It doesn't mean that there will be no spots available to I/FMGs but rest assured, the number of AMGs matching is not going to drop more than the current 93-94% matching…leaving a lot less spots for those that are not AMGs…DOs, IMGs, FMGs…meaning that as an IMGs, one needs to have no red flags to be able to compete…and apply widely and broadly…but even then...
    I'm pretty sure this was debunked a while ago. Its not going to be parity by 2015. I remember it said something along the lines of by 2016 the number of 1st year medical students will be equal to the number of spots, so really theres not going to be parity until 2020. I've also read that residency spots are increasing year over year anyways so its not an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricuspid View Post
    I'm pretty sure this was debunked a while ago. Its not going to be parity by 2015. I remember it said something along the lines of by 2016 the number of 1st year medical students will be equal to the number of spots, so really theres not going to be parity until 2020. I've also read that residency spots are increasing year over year anyways so its not an issue.
    I've documented my source in previous posts...per the chairs of both the ACGME and the AAMC...please post your source of this being "debunked"...and posts by anonymous people on the Internet voicing their opinions don't count...
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    Just a random question, I live in the central florida area and there is a new medical school that opened here and that medical school is starting an IM and EM residency next year that rotates through a hospital that wasn't a teaching hospital before. Also, there is another community hospital half hour away that is looking to bring in another 250 residency spots as well. Is this more of an abnormality or me being overly optimistic for the future ? Is this going on anywhere else ?

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    I would also be interested in exactly who it was that "debunked" the position papers of ACGME and AAMC... who are essentially the people in charge of this whole process. (The 2016 goal was grads to internship positions, not students to internship positions. While I do think that 2016 was a bit overly optimistic on their side, the closer they get to 1-to-1, the tougher it gets for foreign grads of all stripes.)

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    I'm pretty sure this was debunked a while ago. Its not going to be parity by 2015. I remember it said something along the lines of by 2016 the number of 1st year medical students will be equal to the number of spots, so really theres not going to be parity until 2020. I've also read that residency spots are increasing year over year anyways so its not an issue.

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    I can't find any data but the word around the neighborhood is that admission to PA school in the USA has become just as competitive as MD/DO school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knighted View Post
    Just a random question, I live in the central florida area and there is a new medical school that opened here and that medical school is starting an IM and EM residency next year that rotates through a hospital that wasn't a teaching hospital before. Also, there is another community hospital half hour away that is looking to bring in another 250 residency spots as well. Is this more of an abnormality or me being overly optimistic for the future ? Is this going on anywhere else ?
    its not that new residencies spots aren't opening up, but that they are not equal in the number of new US MD grads…if the places are the ones i'm thinking about, realize that there is a NEW medical school to go with that new teaching hospital…and i guarantee that the med school is gonna churn out more grads than that hospital will have residency spots.

    there was a call for a 30% increase in med school grads…there was not a requisite call for a 30% increase in residency spots…and since medicare finances graduate medical education its not going to be easy to get them to shunt money toward funding more spots when navy boomers are turning 65...
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    I would also be interested in exactly who it was that "debunked" the position papers of ACGME and AAMC... who are essentially the people in charge of this whole process. (The 2016 goal was grads to internship positions, not students to internship positions. While I do think that 2016 was a bit overly optimistic on their side, the closer they get to 1-to-1, the tougher it gets for foreign grads of all stripes.)

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    It was Skip Intro and aProgDirector from SDN who "debunked" this. He explained that the NRMP has added 2000 spots from the previous year from around 24000 to 26000 PGY-1 spots. Basically he's saying that the number of residency spots is actually increasing along with the number of medical school spots in the US.

    On top of that, even assuming the number of spots stays static from now on by 2016 there will be around 23000 graduates MD and DO. A number of the DO graduates don't go on to ACGME residencies so this number might actually be lower (not sure about this though). So 23000 is still less than 26000.

    The overall conclusion was that there will still be spots, but it will get harder.
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    Rokshana,
    That was my question, I am not sure if i can say this without getting in trouble because I am relatively new here but ill give it a shot. I was talking about UCF and they had an initial agreement they would rotate 3rd and 4th years through Orlando Regional & Florida Hospital for all their clerkship's when the school opened. Since then they have decided to operate their own residencies (breach of them having clerkship's) through an outside hospital and a new VA combined, which has been met with strong disagreement with ORMC and FL Hospital with no avail. I work at the "other" hospital and they are going through with the plan to open 20 IM positions a year ( Starting 2015) to expand to 60 in three years and they are in the process of hiring an PD to start a new EM residency. I guess my ultimate question is; is this going to alleviate the 1:1 ratio on a small scale ? My apologies, but I only hear of more AMG's and no increase in residencies. If my math is correct, UCF graduates 120 a year and the number of residencies outnumber that twofold ( this and the other hospital= approx 300). Is it just catching up ? I know its a small step but if it happens on a larger scale is it maybe a small sigh of relief or am I just too optimistic ?

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