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    Ny times article-carrib schools might loose ny cores!!!

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    Really not surprising at all.

    The problem is that running a quality medical school that could pass AMA muster is expensive. None of the Carib schools could pass the standards to become an accredited US school. Admission standards are way too lax, high % of faculty don't have the right credentials or have professional issues, the facilities aren't up to standard, graduation rates much lower, and so forth.

    The sad thing is, many people who just barely miss out on getting into a US medical school (because there are too few spots) are the kind of people who can succeed in other careers, so they go to grad school for those other careers. Law school, business school, and so forth. I'm talking people with 3.0-3.2 GPA and 27-30 MCAT. These kind of people routinely miss out (barely) on US schools, since the GPA is kind of low and a 28ish MCAT isn't going to get you over the top with so many applicants.

    I'm doubtful the states will open enough new medical schools to obviate the need for Carib doctors, though. There are only a few new US medical schools over the past few years.

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    I disagree, there are alot of US students who are also incompetent and really have no business in medical school. There are Carrib students who are just as good as US students in any school in the country. Of course Carrib we have a greater share of screw ups.

    As far as education is concerned, they have road blocks called Step 1 and Step 2 to make sure your education meets the minimum requirments. a 190 is a passing score, yeah its a poor score but is a 190 from SGU or UMHS any different than a 190 from Harvard or NYU. For clinicals I know im doing all my cores and electives at teaching hospitals with residencies or fellowships in the rotation im doing. US students can do externships in doctors offices, rotations with not affiliated with a residency program or fellowship and no one bats an eye.

    There are Carrib schools ie Windsor, Xavier that let you start clinicals without passing Step 1 that is wrong and should be stopped. Simply because they students have not proved themselves competent in the basic sciences to move to the clinical portion of their education. Granted those students will never even sniff the inside of a teaching hospital. It still lowers the credibility of the rest of the schools that are trying have standards in their education. Unfortunately, all Carrib schools get grouped together when one screws up.

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    Not gonna happen. The hospitals benefit too much from this arrangement to opt out for a system that educated in-state students for free.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/op...ical.html?_r=1

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    Off Shore Schools will generate much more money than any stateside school. Doctors will want to keep their big checks, Hospitals will always need money. what better way to earn this than from carib schools?
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    There will always been hospitals in rural areas that are under served and when it comes to helping the community they end up relying on nearby hospitals.
    To the Editor:
    In 2008 Nassau University Medical Center entered into an affiliation agreement with the American University of the Caribbean on St. Maarten. At the time, our medical school had not filled all the open rotation spots available to its students, who had shown minimal interest in a long-term commitment to the minority and underserved communities we serve.
    As a public hospital struggling to deal with state budget cuts and an increasingly uninsured population, we were unable to invest in our educational infrastructure to the degree required. And the time demands of training United States students, without reimbursement, was significant.
    We have been more than pleased with the quality of the A.U.C. students, and have begun to attract some of the best to stay here for residency training. While United States medical schools expect a hospital like ours to provide free education to their tuition-paying students, A.U.C. has financially supported quality training.
    This has allowed us to rebuild our amphitheater, put smart boards in all classrooms, expand our staff and plan for a new medical library.
    It also leads to better education, better care and better outcomes for our patients and community. I would like to hear an objection to that!
    Steven J. Walerstein
    East Meadow, N.Y., Dec. 24, 2010
    The writer is executive vice president for medical affairs and medical director, Nassau University Medical Center.
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    I couldn't agree anymore with this. Well said!

    Quote Originally Posted by jackets5 View Post
    I disagree, there are alot of US students who are also incompetent and really have no business in medical school. There are Carrib students who are just as good as US students in any school in the country. Of course Carrib we have a greater share of screw ups.

    As far as education is concerned, they have road blocks called Step 1 and Step 2 to make sure your education meets the minimum requirments. a 190 is a passing score, yeah its a poor score but is a 190 from SGU or UMHS any different than a 190 from Harvard or NYU. For clinicals I know im doing all my cores and electives at teaching hospitals with residencies or fellowships in the rotation im doing. US students can do externships in doctors offices, rotations with not affiliated with a residency program or fellowship and no one bats an eye.

    There are Carrib schools ie Windsor, Xavier that let you start clinicals without passing Step 1 that is wrong and should be stopped. Simply because they students have not proved themselves competent in the basic sciences to move to the clinical portion of their education. Granted those students will never even sniff the inside of a teaching hospital. It still lowers the credibility of the rest of the schools that are trying have standards in their education. Unfortunately, all Carrib schools get grouped together when one screws up.
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