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    Potential 5th semester student here.

    In case inquiring minds want to know: I've passed basic sciences with flying colors, however, I'm considering dropping out of the program due to the fact that I'm skeptical as to whether or not the basic curriculum was flawed in more ways than the U.S. President's rhetoric without a teleprompter...but I digress.

    FIRST & FOREMOST: I'm just curious. What is the 5th semester pass rate for the Kaplan exit exam? Most accounts I've heard from students going through Maine (I'm not claiming that they are true) have stated that the passing rate for the average 5th semester class is approximately 33%.

    Like I said...I'm NOT, repeat NOT taking their word for it. Nevertheless, it's quite disconcerting to hear & I'd appreciate some data countering this claim (hint, hint Dr. W i.e. UMHS Official).

    Let me just put this in perspective. I was a member of the (formerly) largest class in UMHS history when classes commenced back in September 2009. We started with over 100 students & will be arriving in Maine with around 50 (certainly some left due to personal reasons, but the vast majority failed out or were held back). If these numbers are accurate (which I pray they're not) that means that approximately 10-20 students are due to pass the Kaplan exit exam (I'm a generous rounder...haha) & be eligible to SIT for the USMLE. UMHS boasts a 85% pass rate, however if only 10-20 students from my original class are allowed to sit for the boards how does that figure into an 85% pass rate? Regardless of whatever way you look at it. 10-20>/100+ = 10-20%> NOT 85%.

    My purpose here is to not tarnish the name of our school. Rather, it is to avoid a costly mistake and drop another $11-15K on an education that will not provide myself & others with the knowledge that is required in order to attain our goals.

    School official(s) please respond to this post early & often with something other than reassurances. Provide some HARD data. Lastly, COUGAR you are the man, but you didn't go through the basic sciences at UMHS. Although you've proved wildly successful in your academic endeavors (& I commend you for it) you don't have the right to comment on semesters 1-4. Fifth semester is a different story, because you obviously know more about that than myself & my other peers who are concerned about what lies ahead.

    Thanks all.

    -LB

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    I completely agree. I am a fellow classmate heading to Maine and would appreciate some more information/hard facts on the success rates. I basically need/want to know where my money is going...not in a bad way. I just simply need some verification, something a legitimate school should provide for it students.

    Further, if Kaplan is preping us for the "exit" exam and people are failing (the vast majority) the "KAPLAN EXIT EXAM" what does that say about the prep course? Do tell...

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    Thank you for bringing this up. I think that all the perspective and current students would like to know as well. I am very scare of the numbers. Thank you.

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    Kinda Funny

    I'm from the second class to start basic sciences at UMHS and I did very well after 5th semester. When they talk about the Kaplan pass rate they are talking about those that pass it on the first try. I failed the kaplan exam at the end of the 5th semester with a 43%, so I had to retake it. I studied and I ended up getting a 52% on the exam. The school is protecting you from failing the STEP 1 and trust me the 5th semester faculty are the best the school has to offer. After finally passing the kaplan exam I took STEP1 and passed on my first try with a 221/94. So to answer your question, YES it is worth it. This is a difficult time for medical students, not just you. Now that i've been home and interacted with american medical students, I can tell you they felt the same way. Also look at the numbers from my class, most have passed the step 1 and are doing very well.

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    L3 = This is great......

    HAHAHAHA...... This L3McMann person is too funny. Lately he/she has been flaunting his 221/94 on the forums and other social media sites, maybe even twitter, as if anyone cares. While a 221 is a pass, however it's AVERAGE. It's an AVERAGE score. LB, look into what this person said, he/she FAILED the kaplan exit. Now, do you think the Kaplan course did this person any favors? He/she failed, they failed.... Likely this individual would have been better off to study all day alone instead of wasting time sitting in a classroom while the instructor reads a lullaby that puts everyone to sleep in thirty minutes. Again, that Kaplan coures is a tremendous waste of time.

    LB, your stats are pretty much spot on. Roughly 1/3 of each class will pass the Kaplan exit, leaving 2/3 (the majority) to fail. Again, is the Kaplan course a success? No, as indicated by these stats. There are many things that where never taught to you in the basic sciences simply b/c there wasn't enough time and the faculty could teach you whatever useless ** they wanted and no one could do anything about it. (Some schmuck swore that chiral carbons would show up on the USMLE = idiot)

    In Maine, you'll learn many great clinical skills and techniques, but are they on step 1? NO. It's great preparation for step 2 CS. Would you really wanna go to Maine rite now? With all that horrible weather, they make you attend class so you'll have to get out and drive in that crap. If you don't come they'll fail you based on attendance. Again, you'd be better off to stay home and pound the books all do. Do something that directly benefit your education, retention and recall for the exam.

    Dropping another 10K in Maine is your decision, but it would be more beneficial for you to study on your own for the USMLE. Step 1 is a reflection of YOU, IMHO..!! Your retention will be very low, unless you get on the grind yourself with the books 10-12hrs a day. Thats the only way to smash the exam. The material is available, but it's up to you to put in the hours and take the test when your scoring well above the AVERAGE with Uworld and the NBME's. This way you'll increase your chances of obtaining a competitive residency.

    The 85% reflects those individuals who have passed the Kaplan exit and "passed" the Step1. What did they "pass" with, a 188? I'd guarantee you that the majority of them passed with a score below 220. Since they passed the Kaplan, shouldn't all of them have passed USMLE step1? Therefore, this % should be 100, rite? Why on earth are they encouraging folks to just "pass" is beyond me. We are IMG's, we need a higher score than American students to match the same residency.

    To prove my qualifications, I did my basic sciences at UMHS, completed MD5 and passed Kaplan on the first attempt. I scored above 240 on the USMLE Step1 and am no longer a student with UMHS. My success is attributed to my own hard work and the hours I put in beyond the classroom. The least contributing factor is instruction from some goof ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LBfromtheDALE View Post
    Potential 5th semester student here.

    In case inquiring minds want to know: I've passed basic sciences with flying colors, however, I'm considering dropping out of the program due to the fact that I'm skeptical as to whether or not the basic curriculum was flawed in more ways than the U.S. President's rhetoric without a teleprompter...but I digress.

    FIRST & FOREMOST: I'm just curious. What is the 5th semester pass rate for the Kaplan exit exam? Most accounts I've heard from students going through Maine (I'm not claiming that they are true) have stated that the passing rate for the average 5th semester class is approximately 33%.

    Like I said...I'm NOT, repeat NOT taking their word for it. Nevertheless, it's quite disconcerting to hear & I'd appreciate some data countering this claim (hint, hint Dr. W i.e. UMHS Official).

    Let me just put this in perspective. I was a member of the (formerly) largest class in UMHS history when classes commenced back in September 2009. We started with over 100 students & will be arriving in Maine with around 50 (certainly some left due to personal reasons, but the vast majority failed out or were held back). If these numbers are accurate (which I pray they're not) that means that approximately 10-20 students are due to pass the Kaplan exit exam (I'm a generous rounder...haha) & be eligible to SIT for the USMLE. UMHS boasts a 85% pass rate, however if only 10-20 students from my original class are allowed to sit for the boards how does that figure into an 85% pass rate? Regardless of whatever way you look at it. 10-20>/100+ = 10-20%> NOT 85%.

    My purpose here is to not tarnish the name of our school. Rather, it is to avoid a costly mistake and drop another $11-15K on an education that will not provide myself & others with the knowledge that is required in order to attain our goals.

    School official(s) please respond to this post early & often with something other than reassurances. Provide some HARD data. Lastly, COUGAR you are the man, but you didn't go through the basic sciences at UMHS. Although you've proved wildly successful in your academic endeavors (& I commend you for it) you don't have the right to comment on semesters 1-4. Fifth semester is a different story, because you obviously know more about that than myself & my other peers who are concerned about what lies ahead.

    Thanks all.

    -LB
    Forgive Me, I'm A Realist....

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    N-to-Deep

    Well my point of posting my score was to give a sense of encouragement to my fellow classmates and proof that it can be done at UMHS. I don't know where you get off talking to me like that, like im in some way flaunting. My basic science knowledge I gained in st kitts helped my tremendously when I actually sat for my exam.
    Where you transfered in-to-deep couldn't be as good as UMHS I guarantee it. Why you transferred is beyond me. The clinicals at UMHS are at good hospitals. The school placed me 10 minutes from where I live at a very good hospital in michigan. My advice to the original poster is to stay at UMHS becasue you will get good training in the fifth and good clinical placements after the step 1. My advice is call and talk to DR. P in maine, he will give you all the details and latest stats.

    If you want to get real answers just PM me.

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    "Where you transfered in-to-deep couldn't be as good as UMHS I guarantee it."

    Are you suggesting that UMHS is the "end all be all" of caribbean trash medical schools? Surely not, rite? You know there are three top caribbean schools out there, I'm sure you know who they are. Believe it or not, if you have a great Step1 score (>240), these big 3 schools will give you a chance as they did me. UMHS is just another washed up medical school, just like the rest of them. UMHS has no loans, no graduating class, and no resident placement. These are the fact which I'm sure you'll argue.

    I guarantee you, the top three caribbean school have clinicals far beyond what UMHS has to offer. What UMHS has DMC, big whoop. What caribbean school doesn't have DMC or it's partner hospitals.

    HAHAHA, go ahead. I hope you have fun at DMC fetching coffee and donuts, writing notes for the residents, transporting patients and doing the scut secretarial work that no one else wants to do. In two weeks you'll be blown back to reality.

    Good Luck to you...!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by N-ToDeep View Post
    "Where you transfered in-to-deep couldn't be as good as UMHS I guarantee it."

    Are you suggesting that UMHS is the "end all be all" of caribbean trash medical schools? Surely not, rite? You know there are three top caribbean schools out there, I'm sure you know who they are. Believe it or not, if you have a great Step1 score (>240), these big 3 schools will give you a chance as they did me. UMHS is just another washed up medical school, just like the rest of them. UMHS has no loans, no graduating class, and no resident placement. These are the fact which I'm sure you'll argue.

    I guarantee you, the top three caribbean school have clinicals far beyond what UMHS has to offer. What UMHS has DMC, big whoop. What caribbean school doesn't have DMC or it's partner hospitals.

    HAHAHA, go ahead. I hope you have fun at DMC fetching coffee and donuts, writing notes for the residents, transporting patients and doing the scut secretarial work that no one else wants to do. In two weeks you'll be blown back to reality.

    Good Luck to you...!!
    if you really were teaching yourself and not willing to give credit to UMHS, you should have saved yourself a ton of money, gone to Windsor down the road for a fraction of the cost and been able to pay WUSOM tuition with an online american MBA

    but of course N-ToDeep, you didnt... please explain to me why someone with over a 240 on Step 1 didn't have the common sense to figure this out all throughout 5 semesters at UMHS

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    Hind sight is always 20/20. Maybe you're expressing your frustrations? Let me guess, you think the school can do no wrong?




    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    if you really were teaching yourself and not willing to give credit to UMHS, you should have saved yourself a ton of money, gone to Windsor down the road for a fraction of the cost and been able to pay WUSOM tuition with an online american MBA

    but of course N-ToDeep, you didnt... please explain to me why someone with over a 240 on Step 1 didn't have the common sense to figure this out all throughout 5 semesters at UMHS
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    Well

    N-to-deep, Im assuming that your from my class? As far as I know there was only one person who scored a 240 from my class as he was a transfer student into the 4th semester, hence didnt do basic sciences at UMHS. I could be wrong about this.

    In terms of a transfer, please tell me how your doing so much better than those of us that are sticking it out at UMHS? Lets break down the big 3 schools and your chances for transfer. SGU, no transfers what so ever! Ross they will not take a UMHS student no matter what, I called and confirmed this. AUC, havent contacted them but it's not likely.

    You mention DMC, thats not the hospital I will be at. I'm in Pontiac. For your information not every carib school has these spots!

    I agree that there are better options out there right now, but the poster is not going to be able to transfer to a better school. That person needs to stick it out and try to do as well as they can on step 1.

    I think this person N-to-deep is giving you bad advice and i dont believe he/she transfered just for the simple reason that many so called top carib schools dont except our credits evern with step 1. I welcome you to detail how you were able to transfer to such a better school.

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