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    St Martinus Info Seminar

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    So I've heard that the former Dean held St Martinus Univ Info Seminars on St Kitts after he abruptly resigned, and that's completely fine. When I was at St Matthews, there was a UMHS Info Seminar on the Cayman Islands, and I was able to gain a lot of vital info from it.

    But... good grief.... there were a few facts that I feel students, in particular Canadian citizens should know.

    1) Rotations in Canada -> Apparently it was mentioned that UMHS students from Canada would be able to do all of their rotations in Canada, if they transferred to St Martinus.... FALSE!!! No matter what Carib School you go to, the MAX that you'll be allowed to rotate in Canada for, is 12 Weeks... and that's IT...

    I heard that this was why some of the UMHS students were considering transferring to St Martinus..... you will be seriously disappointed after you discover that you'll only be able to do a MAX of 12 wks there.

    What is so appealing about St Martinus Univ anyways? Am I missing something here??

    1) School has history of shutting down suddenly without notice, leaving their students stranded
    2) No Loan Programs... and tuition is barely cheaper than UMHS's...
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    From speaking to students this is what I've gathered:
    It's now operated by a jewish person.
    It's funded by InfraHealth a texas health company, the CEO is a jewish person.
    They've got like 80K in funding so far...
    They will have Citibank Loan option and the school will be the co-signer.
    They will have only 2 semesters program instead of trimesters like other Caribbean schools.

    Facts:

    Even though the school closed down due to salary cuts, they decided to keep the original name due to heavy cost of chartering the school.
    They should have renamed it because

    Quote Originally Posted by azskeptic View Post
    In the near future the Netherland Antilles will dissolve and most of the countries will jon the Netherlands

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles

    Presently in the Netherlands Antilles there are 6 schools

    AUC
    Saba
    St. James
    St. Martinus
    University of Sint Eustatius
    Xavier-Bonaire

    This means that when the Netherland Antilles dissolves these schools IMED recognition will end and the schools must be recognized by the Dutch System If it isn't on this list NVAO - Nederlands-Vlaamse Accreditatieorganisatie they won't be recognized by IMED and resultingly you won't be able to sit for ECFMG,etc. All of the above schools, except AUC, have applied for a voluntary assessment of their schools to see if they meet the standards or not. The current assessment by the NVAO takes place in conformity with NVAO
    standards, but does not imply recognition by the Netherlands government
    - the outcome has no relevance under the Netherlands Act on Higher
    Education.
    Since the island of Bonaire (plus the islands of Saint Eustatius and
    Saba) opts for inclusion in the Kingdom of the Netherlands by the year
    2010, it will be incumbent on all HE institutions on these islands to
    submit requests for accreditation of their programs by the NVAO once
    these islands have become part of the kingdom.
    Upon the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles such as we now know
    them (starting after 2008), all current recognitions will lapse and so
    will all current IMED listings. It's up to the new NA powers to be,
    whether and how they will continue the current recognitions. For the BES
    islands (Bonaire, Saint Eustace and Saba), the relevant authority will
    be the Netherlands ministry of Education. For Aruba, Curacao and Saint
    Maarten, the new authorities there will have to decide.

    If I was a student I think I'd be interested in what happens in these assessments and what the administrations expect to do when the transition happens.
    Which means all schools in that region will lose IMED/WHO listing unless they follow in AUC/Saba's steps in maintaining their status, which will cost a lot of money...

    They have an .edu domain because the school was created before the 2001 US Department of Education regulations was enforced.
    This does not mean they will get Federal Loans at all, please do not get confused.

    It's definitely a high-risk going to that school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gx255 View Post
    From speaking to students this is what I've gathered:
    It's now operated by a jewish person.

    lol how is this pertinent?

    It's funded by InfraHealth a texas health company, the CEO is a jewish person.

    Maybe...... but the former owner (who ran the school when it all of sudden Shut Down) is still associated with the school correct??

    They've got like 80K in funding so far...

    Unfortunately that won't even make a drop in the bucket when it comes to fronting a Medical School Education.

    They will have Citibank Loan option and the school will be the co-signer.

    Why would any school do this? So the school is just going to EAT those loans that go bad after students drop/fail out??

    They will have only 2 semesters program instead of trimesters like other Caribbean schools.

    What's wrong with Trimesters? Medical School is tough, but spreading it out that much in the form of 2 semesters a year is a bit much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gx255 View Post
    They have an .edu domain because the school was created before the 2001 US Department of Education regulations was enforced. This does not mean they will get Federal Loans at all, please do not get confused.

    It's definitely a high-risk going to that school.
    Agreed......
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    I'm not sure who the original owner was, but if its the same person re-attempting, that's scary. too much at stake.

    I heard they want to make it 2 semesters so its like an american medical school, they want to advertise it good, make it real.
    Personally if i had that much time off (summer) i'd end up wasting it, at least with trimesters I have everything retained and can integrate the material for the next coming semester.
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    i'm a current UMHS student, and i'm not gonna lie, the 2 semester system sounds really appealing. I don't think it would be good for me to transfer because you'd have to start from the very beginning to see the benefits.

    However, I know that is the system that U.S. schools as well as SGU has it and you can just see the results. My old college roommate went to SGU and he even told me he doesn't know how we learn and retain all this information in this shotgun 3 semester per year system. I understand that it works for some, but for a good majority of us, it's difficult, and it's the reason people have to take extra time after basic sciences to study for Step.

    Ideally, you wan't to study for step from day one.. but unfortunately, people are worried about passing block that they study for block. i'm sure of the time were spread out more comfortably, people would commit their studies to the long term goal (Step), and have time to implement notes into First Aid and study that as they go along... it's what all the US/SGU students do, which is one of the reasons they don't have to take more than 3 months after basic sciences to study for Step

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    i'm a current UMHS student, and i'm not gonna lie, the 2 semester system sounds really appealing. I don't think it would be good for me to transfer because you'd have to start from the very beginning to see the benefits.

    However, I know that is the system that U.S. schools as well as SGU has it and you can just see the results. My old college roommate went to SGU and he even told me he doesn't know how we learn and retain all this information in this shotgun 3 semester per year system. I understand that it works for some, but for a good majority of us, it's difficult, and it's the reason people have to take extra time after basic sciences to study for Step.

    Ideally, you wan't to study for step from day one.. but unfortunately, people are worried about passing block that they study for block. i'm sure of the time were spread out more comfortably, people would commit their studies to the long term goal (Step), and have time to implement notes into First Aid and study that as they go along... it's what all the US/SGU students do, which is one of the reasons they don't have to take more than 3 months after basic sciences to study for Step
    Is the 2 semesters per year schedule so attractive that you would consider transferring to a school that not too long ago immediately SHUT DOWN, leaving all of their students completed stranded.... just to have it?

    We all want to have more time to study, but the trimester schedule is definitely doable. I took Step 1 one week after 5th semester concluded, along with most of my classmates. Focusing 100% of your studying towards your Block Exams is exactly what you should be doing for your Step 1 Prep. It will allow you to have a solid knowledge base in each subject when you finally reach 5th semester in Portland, Maine and sit through the Kaplan Board Review Course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSUCougar View Post
    Is the 2 semesters per year schedule so attractive that you would consider transferring to a school that not too long ago immediately SHUT DOWN, leaving all of their students completed stranded.... just to have it?
    Did you not read my post? I said it's not a good idea for me to transfer.. but it there was a school with a U.S./SGU curriculum out there when i started, i would have seriously considered it.

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUCougar View Post
    We all want to have more time to study, but the trimester schedule is definitely doable. I took Step 1 one week after 5th semester concluded, along with most of my classmates. Focusing 100% of your studying towards your Block Exams is exactly what you should be doing for your Step 1 Prep. It will allow you to have a solid knowledge base in each subject when you finally reach 5th semester in Portland, Maine and sit through the Kaplan Board Review Course.
    there's a difference between "doable" and "ideal". let's face it, this 3 semester system is just created to generate more money for the program-- more semesters/year = more entering classes/year = more money/year. US schools do not operate under that system and for good reason. Props to you for getting it done, but you know, as well as i do, that there are plenty of people, not just from UMHS, but MUA, SMU, Statia, Windsor.. pretty much every school outside of the Big 4, who have people that cannot pass step and are taking well over 6 months to study.


    If I opened a caribbean medical school and money were no concern and the true intent would be to educate students, I would model my curriculum like so many US medical schools - first year would be general principles (anatomy, histo, general path, general pharm, biostats, micro), second year would be systems-based (cardio, endocrine, GI, MSK, Heme, Renal, Repro, Respiratory, et al).. with the systems being centered on path/physio/pharm...a friend of mine at a D.O. school says its systems based and he just follows along with First Aid, while he goes along with his class.. so when it comes time to study for boards, he is so familiar with First Aid that is is practically memorized before the end of basic sciences already that he just focuses on questions.

    again, this is all if the intent wasn't Profit, which we all know it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    Did you not read my post? I said it's not a good idea for me to transfer.. but it there was a school with a U.S./SGU curriculum out there when i started, i would have seriously considered it.
    I wasn't completely referencing you, I was mainly referring to the group of students who are considering transferring to St Martinus.

    If you look at SGU's curriculum for example, they don't have an extended Basic Science program. Its pretty much the same exact length as UMHS's
    Medical Sciences Term Calendar at St. George's University

    First Semester -> January 11 to May 14
    BREAK -> May 18 to Aug 15
    Second Semester -> Aug 16 to Dec 10


    Same goes for a lot of U.S. Schools. Instead of getting a Summer Break, we just go straight through.
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    my 3 cents

    Hello Cougar,

    I have been following your posts before I even decided to come to UMHS and strongly respect your comments primarily because you have shut down so many downers on this site and people who are simply complaining because they are unable to realize that in medical school one has to study to be successful...and not spend 60% of their time complaining... ie the average UMHS student.

    To address this post:

    Briefly a 2-semester system's greatest value is a greater amount of time to apply and comprehend the material given. You are CORRECT in stating the time period DURING the semester is not prolonged, but you missed the fact that the 2 semester system has a summer.

    If the student in the 2 semester system is not a fool... they will use this time to shadow, review, prepare themselves for the 3rd semester and also relax a bit and let their brain settle on the information.

    Does this help students further comprehend information: well I can't prove that it does, but if I use the current Canadian and US medical system as an example... the bisemester system is certainly the most common system.

    In retrospect, if one were to look at UMHS's curriculum and their trimester methodology, they would be hardpressed to state that the system does not prepare you to WRITE that test. My only argument is that I don't feel the system prepares me to be a good practical doctor due a lack of clinical correlations and practical applications during the early semesters.

    In foresight I would like that no one reply to this post trying to say that it is useless to have clinical correlations in early semesters... this will only lead me to send you to various forums on this same debate... keep that foolishness to yourselves.

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