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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasStudent View Post
    ...Since you believe that viruses cause disease, please explain to me why animals do not suffer from the same problems that we suffer from.

    Again, at what point do we, as a society, start to acknowledge that the diseases are being caused by our exposure to chemicals. Here is a list of side effects of prilosec....


    Yes, chemicals can be very dangerous. However, what is a "chemical"? Here is one of the most dangerous chemical known to ever exist:

    Dihydrogen Monoxide - The Invisible Killer
    Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
    Dihydrogen monoxide:
    • is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
    • contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
    • may cause severe burns.
    • contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
    • accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
    • may cause electrical failures.
    • decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
    • has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
    Contamination Is Reaching Epidemic Proportions!
    Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the Midwest, and the California coast.
    Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
    • as an industrial solvent and coolant.
    • in nuclear power plants.
    • in the production of Styrofoam.
    • as a fire retardant.
    • in many forms of cruel animal research.
    • in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
    • as an additive in most "junk-foods" and many “whole” food products.
    Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
    The Horror Must Be Stopped!
    The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.
    It's Not Too Late!
    Act NOW to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this dangerous chemical. What you don't know can hurt you and others throughout the world. Send email to [email protected], or a SASE to:
    Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! / The Coalition / [email protected]
    "You do not truly understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother." Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by acgtacgtacgt View Post

    Yes, chemicals can be very dangerous. However, what is a "chemical"? Here is one of the most dangerous chemical known to ever exist:

    Dihydrogen Monoxide - The Invisible Killer
    Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
    Dihydrogen monoxide:
    • is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
    • contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
    • may cause severe burns.
    • contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
    • accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
    • may cause electrical failures.
    • decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
    • has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

    Contamination Is Reaching Epidemic Proportions!
    Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the Midwest, and the California coast.
    Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
    • as an industrial solvent and coolant.
    • in nuclear power plants.
    • in the production of Styrofoam.
    • as a fire retardant.
    • in many forms of cruel animal research.
    • in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
    • as an additive in most "junk-foods" and many “whole” food products.

    Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
    The Horror Must Be Stopped!
    The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.
    It's Not Too Late!
    Act NOW to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this dangerous chemical. What you don't know can hurt you and others throughout the world. Send email to [email protected], or a SASE to:
    Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! / The Coalition / [email protected]
    Yeah I have always thought that stuff was dangerous.

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    Where do these crackpots come from?

    Please may the great powers forbid that you practice medicine.

    Now I think that you should be rationally skeptical. Know that we are most likely wrong in the theories that we now hold to be fact.

    But, But, But do not look for terrible conspiracies.

    The flat earth contigency never had a conspiracy. They just clung too tightly to a former "truth."

    The idea that a scientist would be able to keep a secret is just insane. These guys are to arrogant to keep a secret. They want the spotlight with a sickness. When they find something they are too quick to tell the world.
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    Here is a repition of my previous post.

    Repition lends a credibility all its own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karplus View Post
    We should take this seriously at the same moment that we decide that human advancement and population growth deserve the most blame.

    We need to go back to a more native agrarian population. Stop automobiles and power stations. Live green.

    But wait, the life expectancy was 30 when we were doing that and most of us were slaves.

    I don't know what we should do. Maybe we should use the technology we have as best as we can.

    YEAAAA, Prozac and Prilosec for everyone.
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    Super Cool. Watch the 2 hr lecture on the HIV hoax.


    At around 37min the person who got the Nobel prize for the use of heat resistant DNA polymerase sequencing has his say.

    Kary Mullis never got his PhD because he was thrown out of grad school. The idea for DNA sequencing came to him as he was smoking a joint and driving on a california coast road.

    Definitely the voice of cold hard science.

    How do I know of him? My graduate genetics professor actually isolated the thermophilis sequencing protein. My grad advisor was in grad school with Mullis for a while. They have great stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karplus View Post
    Where do these crackpots come from?

    Please may the great powers forbid that you practice medicine.

    Now I think that you should be rationally skeptical. Know that we are most likely wrong in the theories that we now hold to be fact.

    But, But, But do not look for terrible conspiracies.

    The flat earth contigency never had a conspiracy. They just clung too tightly to a former "truth."

    The idea that a scientist would be able to keep a secret is just insane. These guys are to arrogant to keep a secret. They want the spotlight with a sickness. When they find something they are too quick to tell the world.
    This is the typical response from people who cannot argue the science; they resort to name-calling.

    If I am a crackpot, please tell me where I am wrong and prove your case scientifically. I have provided many topics to look at, so why don't you look at them and tell me where I am wrong.

    If I claim that diabetes is due to a vitamin C deficiency, why don't you argue why it is not? To do that, you would have to prove that the tons of research studies that have been done over the past 70 years that show this is wrong.

    If I claim that niacinamide deficiency leads to tb infection, why don't you argue that? To do that, you would have to show that the studies that were done that demonstrated this fact are wrong. How do you think that isonizid became the treatment of choice? Do you think that some chemist designed a molecule off the top of his head and figured it would work?

    If other animals develop the same symptoms as humans from drugs in development, indicating the similar physiology to humans, explain why they don't develop the same problems as humans that humans suffer from on an every day basis.

    Whenever I make my case to professors, backed by studies and documentation in the scientific literature, they don't call me a crackpot. They make comments like, "oh, I was not aware of that, thanks for showing me." But people here, who don't understand the science, because they don't understand, they rather call people like me crackpots.

    Vitamin C deficiency also leads to schizophrenia. Is this some insane comment? No, it is based on the fact that there are doctors who cure people with schizophrenia with vitamin C administration. Why don't you argue the science on that as well? My argument is based on the fact that the vitamin is needed for the hydroxylation of dopamine to norepinephrine. If you inhibit a step in the synthesis of a substance, its precursor builds up. This concept is so basic that it was stressed at least 10 times by a recent biochemistry visiting professor. So, if vitamin C is inhibited or lacking, dopamine builds up; and this buildup leads to schizophrenia. This is why excess dopamine is the main concern in the treatment of patients with parkinson's, as schizophrenia is major concern in these patients. Why don't you argue the science in that?

    It is I that should be using the "flat earth theory" in my argument because it was the people like me who argued that the earth was not flat. And it was those people that were called crackpots. It was people like Galileo, who was imprisoned by the Catholic church because he showed that the church was incorrect in their belief that the earth was the center of the universe. This lead to Pope JP II publicly forgiving what they did to Galileo. What does that say about the church?

    Finally, you just don't get it. It has nothing to do with keeping a secret; and they do tell the world, evident by their published articles. The problem, as I have mentioned before, is that the media and pharma have the same owners. If an article is published that shows that what we believe is incorrect, the media will not tell the world. And if they try to go out of their way to tell the world, they lose their research grants. You should know this, as you have claimed that you have all this research experience. Is the Dr. Michael M. at Harvard keeping a secret? Don't you think that other scientists at Harvard and other instutions know about his paper and about the original studies that support his paper? Other people know this; but it does not matter what they know; it matters what the media decide to tell the world. And what the media decide to tell the world is based on what pharma decides the world needs to know.

    Is it a conspiracy theory that they want to microchip the entire population to track their movement? How can it be a conspiracy theory when the current VP of the US, in the senate confirmation hearings of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, openly says that this is being discussed and that the justice will someday have to rule on it.

    The truth hurts, especially for people that have been brainwashed. Either you are too hurt buy this to acknowledge it, or you are too brainwashed, or you are too ignorant, or you are part of the conspiracy.

    Stick to the science and argue that. I know that there are readers here who are saying to themselves that the science I have put forth is very convincing, but they are too scared to support what I write because they are afraid of being labeled a crackpot.

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    Debates

    Debates are great and there is always more than one way to view a situation. However, it is getting old on this forum - can you find a different way and/ or place to communicate/ debate / agree to disagree?

    I, as a future doctor, am all for research and learning new things, but in a manner that is conducive to learning - not this back and forth *** that has been on the forum over the last few days.

    Write papers, have them published, post your credentials....then more people would be willing to listen/ support/ add positive comments.

    Enough is enough - can we go back to keeping the forum pleasant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karplus View Post
    Super Cool. Watch the 2 hr lecture on the HIV hoax.


    At around 37min the person who got the Nobel prize for the use of heat resistant DNA polymerase sequencing has his say.

    Kary Mullis never got his PhD because he was thrown out of grad school. The idea for DNA sequencing came to him as he was smoking a joint and driving on a california coast road.

    Definitely the voice of cold hard science.

    How do I know of him? My graduate genetics professor actually isolated the thermophilis sequencing protein. My grad advisor was in grad school with Mullis for a while. They have great stories.
    The stuff some people write. Where is your evidence that he never received his PhD?

    So what if he was smoking a joint? You people will write anything to discredit people when you can't argue the science. Does the fact that he invented PCR and won the Nobel Prize discredit the science behind PCR? If you want to discredit him for that, then let's discredit the majority of research that comes out based on the fact that perhaps most doctors either have used drugs in the past or are currently using drugs.

    If a doctor uses cocaine, is he any less credible than one using ritalin? Most people, perhaps even you, would say yes because he is using that awful drug, cocaine. Yet, millions of people are taking ritalin and similar drugs, all of which have the same mechanism of action as cocaine. What is the difference? None, whatsoever, other than the fact that one is legal (man-made) and one is not (found in nature).

    Is it bad that a person takes LSD, something Mullis acknowledges that he has done? What about someone taking one of the prazoles? In a previous post, I mentioned that I would leave it to the reader to determine how the prazoles cause hallucinations. If you have not discovered how they do, I will now explain. LSD belongs to a chemical class of compounds called the indoles. The prazoles have this similar structure as part of their molecular structure, hence the hallucinations as a side effect.

    If you are going to criticize someone for taking an illegal drug, then criticize the ones who take the same drug, which is under a different name, with a slightly different structure, but legalized. In addition, do not be a hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajijicdoc View Post
    Debates are great and there is always more than one way to view a situation. However, it is getting old on this forum - can you find a different way and/ or place to communicate/ debate / agree to disagree?

    I, as a future doctor, am all for research and learning new things, but in a manner that is conducive to learning - not this back and forth *** that has been on the forum over the last few days.

    Write papers, have them published, post your credentials....then more people would be willing to listen/ support/ add positive comments.

    Enough is enough - can we go back to keeping the forum pleasant?
    The papers have been published; I have posted many of them. Read them.

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    Thank you for erasing your previous repition.

    I can argue the science. I am afraid that it would be unfair to you as you do not know the science.

    It is easy to say half truths when your audience only knows half the science.

    Wait, that means that you really know all of half of the truth. Or maybe only a quarter of the half that is truth and a quarter of the half false stuff seems truthful. But, I digress.

    The first argument is against the efficiency of a western blot. Mainly pooh poohed but confessed marijuana smoking grad school dropouts and reported scientists that have been designated as crackpots. But, the guy with the german accent seems convincing. German accents always seem convincing. I was in a biochem department with exchange grads from Berlin. They could get away with explaining a protein purification procedure by saying, "then we performed a sodium gradient und stuff." What is "und stuff" and why would I get my *** handed to me for saying something that vague. But I digress again; I'll smoke a joint and get back to you when my mind is clearer.

    I have performed western blots. In fact my favorite was coined a spaghetti western in our lab.

    In this western I could separate proteins that I had engineered myself in the lab. These were engineered to express in the outer envelope of E. coli. It was an iron porin designed to only function when it was the bacteria in the presence of a disulfide bind breaker.

    I could also easily purify the outer membrane from the inner membrane.
    I easily showed that I had engineered a protein that only allowed E. coli with my protein live in the presence of beta-mercapto-ethanol yet die under normal media.

    With this proof positive I did a western blot. I found porin in both inner membrane and outer membrane fractions under normal media but in mainly the outer fractions in beta-mercapto-ethanol grown bacteria.

    The western was specific enough to separate a protein in two different fractions of the same batch of E. coli. Let me know that there was more to the equation than my engineered bacteria being formed in the outer membrane.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg of false infomation passed off as fact in these links.
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