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    Transfering from UAG

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    Do you know of any successful transfers from UAG into the 3rd year of a US/Canadian medical school?

    Do you think it would be possible to transfer with high Step 1 scores?

    Do curriculum differences between UAG and US schools preclude such a transfer? I think I read something like this but 3rd and 4th year at UAG are clinical rotations just like at US schools.

    My reasons for asking this are purely financial as I am eligible for a few in-state scholarships that I would not be able to use at UAG.

    Of course, I know one should never plan to transfer from a foreign school to a US school because it is exceedingly difficult...just wondering if it is possible and has it been done before or regularly from UAG.

    Thanks

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    transferring to a US school is VERY rarely done. I have known of maybe one student in some semesters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champbean View Post
    Do you know of any successful transfers from UAG into the 3rd year of a US/Canadian medical school?

    Do you think it would be possible to transfer with high Step 1 scores?

    Do curriculum differences between UAG and US schools preclude such a transfer? I think I read something like this but 3rd and 4th year at UAG are clinical rotations just like at US schools.

    My reasons for asking this are purely financial as I am eligible for a few in-state scholarships that I would not be able to use at UAG.

    Of course, I know one should never plan to transfer from a foreign school to a US school because it is exceedingly difficult...just wondering if it is possible and has it been done before or regularly from UAG.

    Thanks
    another thing to add to rasp's post is the fact that if you DO actually gain admission to a US med school they WILL most likely make you start from scratch....meaning no matter what semester you're in at uag, you will start at new med school at 1st sem!
    ways to live by Dr H:

    don't trust no body
    everybody lies
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    be nice to the nurses

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    I've never heard of anyone who went from UAG to the third year of a US medical school. In rare cases, there are people who have finished their basic sciences at UAG and have transferred to the second year of a US medical school. If your goal is to try and save money, you should stay at UAG. The only school to which people regularly transfer is Ross, and even that isn't a very good idea.

    I'm in sixth semester now and I still regularly talk to a couple of the people who used to be in my class but transferred to Ross after fourth semester. None of them want to admit to being unhappy with their choice to leave UAG because their pride won't let them confess something like that, but it's very clear to me that many of them wouldn't do it again if they could go back in time. The tuition there is much higher, Miami is not a cheap city in which to rent an apartment, and they end up moving around alot. And to add insult to their injury, they'll be starting residency at exactly the same time as they would have had they stayed at UAG. Ross makes students take a comprehensive exam when they get to the Miami semester. Students have three chances to pass that test or else they're kicked out of school. Many of my former classmates have already taken that test twice and have not passed. If they don't pass the third time then they're screwed. They can come back to UAG again if UAG will allow them to come back, which is a big maybe. Plus, all of this worrying about not passing takes a huge toll on your life and also delays the time when you can begin rotations. There are exceptions, but Ross generally doesn't allow people to start rotations until they receive confirmation that a student has passed the USMLE. Ross will not sign your forms in order to take the USMLE until you have passed the comprehensive exam. The comprehensive exam is only administered like once a month, so if you fail you have to wait a month to take it again. You can see how this can also burn your time and money. Plus, it screws up your financial aid stuff.

    Stay at UAG. For what it's worth, at least you know where you'll be and what you'll be doing tomorrow and the next day and the next.

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    Hi Champbean, this topic has been brought up several times on here, and for many students it is a touchy topic...so you may not get many responses. Unlike in the US, the UAG adminstration and profs take this very personally and try all types of trickery to prevent it.

    I agree partially with UAGRocks, there are few US schools that will take a foreign transfer student. One I am aware of is George Washington Med. in DC. They require a step 1 score for you to be considered, and the seats are very limited (2-3). If your goal is to save money, you would definitely want to stay in Guadalajara. Also, you can never gaurantee that you will be able to transfer, so if you come to the UAG, be ready to stick it out.

    But I disagree that Ross isnt a very good idea, because for some people, it is a great idea. Sure, some students that have transferred to Ross may be unhappy. Perhaps that is because they have been unable to pass the comprehensive exam that Ross requires. Perhaps they have trouble adjusting from Mexico to the US in terms of what the school expects. Maybe they really just miss the tortas ahogadas? But like most things in life, there are pros and cons to all of our choices. I think the biggest pros, for most people who go this route, are being back in the US and learning medicine in English. Concerning Ross' comp exam, it is a USMLE filter, so that students will not sit for the step 1 and fail...keeps the numbers up. The UAG is trying to do something similar now with 5th semester students. I expect after taking careful consideration... after dozens of students graduated last fall without passing step 1.

    My advice: go to the UAG and make your decision concerning this later... if the opportunity presents.

    Best of luck!

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    Thanks everyone, Tcatx.

    I was going to ask about the comprehensive Ross exam just out of curiosity. I was thinking along those lines that if you can't pass that exam, you probably wouldnt pass Step 1 either.

    So the logic is that Ross doesn't want a low pass rate on Step 1, so they weed out the students who are likely to fail it?

    That definitely seems to make practical sense and doesn't seem unfair.

    Of course, that's easy for me to say now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champbean View Post
    Thanks everyone, Tcatx.

    I was going to ask about the comprehensive Ross exam just out of curiosity. I was thinking along those lines that if you can't pass that exam, you probably wouldnt pass Step 1 either.

    So the logic is that Ross doesn't want a low pass rate on Step 1, so they weed out the students who are likely to fail it?

    That definitely seems to make practical sense and doesn't seem unfair.

    Of course, that's easy for me to say now.
    It is fair for the students that will pass. How about the other ones? I heard that at least 50% of students attending Ross dont pass the comps or USMLE and they need to transfer to another school which will probably be a non-50 state approved school. Failing out students to improve useless school's stats seems a little unpractical and dishonest to me from an educational point of view. From a business point of view, I would have to congratulate them on these ;
    1. accepting that many burros that cant pass USMLE1.
    2. take their money and their dreams + a nice debt in their backs
    Many can say, "well if they cant pass the USMLE then they shouldnt be doctors".....which is not true. Many capable foreign doctors try many times the USMLE and they become excellent doctors to the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rasputindoc View Post
    It is fair for the students that will pass. How about the other ones? I heard that at least 50% of students attending Ross dont pass the comps or USMLE and they need to transfer to another school which will probably be a non-50 state approved school. Failing out students to improve useless school's stats seems a little unpractical and dishonest to me from an educational point of view. From a business point of view, I would have to congratulate them on these ;
    1. accepting that many burros that cant pass USMLE1.
    2. take their money and their dreams + a nice debt in their backs
    Many can say, "well if they cant pass the USMLE then they shouldnt be doctors".....which is not true. Many capable foreign doctors try many times the USMLE and they become excellent doctors to the community.
    You make good points.

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    When transferring can go really bad!
    I have been searching for students that have been able to transfer to any caribbean school specially Ross since it is the one that takes most of the transfers from UAG after 4th semester. I found this particular student where things havent gone as expected. Look at former posts by just doing a search under the original poster's (OP) name. This is proof that the grass is not greener on the other side. It all depends on the individual so that no school guarantees success at any level, not even Ross with their 90%+ passing rate.

    http://www.valuemd.com/american-univ...nt-school.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasputindoc View Post
    When transferring can go really bad!
    I have been searching for students that have been able to transfer to any caribbean school specially Ross since it is the one that takes most of the transfers from UAG after 4th semester. I found this particular student where things havent gone as expected. Look at former posts by just doing a search under the original poster's (OP) name. This is proof that the grass is not greener on the other side. It all depends on the individual so that no school guarantees success at any level, not even Ross with their 90%+ passing rate.

    http://www.valuemd.com/american-univ...nt-school.html
    Thanks, I had read about that student earlier. It's a very bad position he/she is in. I don't understand how someone fails these tests so many times though.

    My sister failed the Bar exam 2 times and passed on the 3rd try, but she only failed because she didn't study the first 2 times.

    I don't know. I feel bad for the guy. It's also pretty scary that your future hinges on an exam...but then again, why can most people pass this test?

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