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    Re: Calling oneself Dr.... but hasnt even begun the fight.

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    I just wrote this letter to ERNEST HOLBROOK, asking him his opinion on this matter which perturbs me somewhat. Believe me ive been a physician x 30 years and I dont need lecturing from anyone about etiquette. Just give this 10 seconds of your time but think about it.
    The bottom line is whats in a name, i get it. for me when it comes to
    the WAR/Battle i went through at UCE in SPM in 1976 calling myself Dr. is a big deal and should be used by those who have earned it.



    i think it is rude, so very premature, cocky, insulting and plain stupid to use the name Dr. as a name in these Forums if you indeed are not AN MD.


    You see the majority of the forum members dont use Dr UNTIL they bust their backs
    like i did you did like we all did to deserve that TITLE.

    i just take serious offense with it
    its my problem
    i tried once to settle it
    and all i got was blamed for making believe I WAS an MD.

    Dont you people studying arduously down there feel offended in the least?
    You are all indeed ( except those graduates ) working very hard in a less than optimal environment to get that title.

    I wouldnt dare refer to myself as DOCTOR until that diploma en medicina
    was in my hands.

    I dont know about you guys and gals but i fought a war down there.
    My closest friend said UCE was worse than being in VIETNAM. 1976

    there should be some etiquette and respect paid to those who have made it or striving hard to make it.
    Stop calling yourselves Doctors if youre not one.

    This whole VALUE MD is about qualifying and getting to that stage where you get that right. Not when youre in HIGH SCHOOL asking for advice!!!!!!

    ill go have another GUINNESS.......


    hope you are all well. LIFE IS A JOKE. UCE was a joke but i laughed
    the hardest when i graduated.

    good luck to you all
    god bless you all



    glenn losack yes with an MD..............

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    I agree with you 100% I go as far as not even mentioning the words "medical school" when asked "what are you going to school for? " I tell them I want to go to "graduate school." Just remember that a poser can thrive on the internet.
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    i agree its disturbing...what also botehrs me are PA's who introduce themselves as doctor or dont correct pts when they call them dr.. also nutritionists, and physical therapists who are PhD's get on my nrves on the floors when they introduce themselvs as docs..their academic doctors not clinical physicians right? i know when those PhD RN programs start graduating people i will be equally as disturbed
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    Well I'm currently at UNIBE and while I just started this month I already have a huge amount of respect for people with an actual MD more so people who have taken the USMLE and passed and that respect is only growing with each passing day that i have to study sometimes without electricity and water.

    As for the people who use Dr. in their name on here there isn't much that can be done about it. You cant make everyone that falls into that category change their names, half the people on this site would have to. I sort of just filter it out mentally and move on. All in all it's pretty bad that people throw it around so lightly here.

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    In response to the message from Dr. Losack....I agree with him 100% and by that I mean people should not use the title "Dr./Doctor" until it has been earned. I see several e-mail addresses with Dr. XYZ or whatever and can not help but think they are wannabes and sadly may wind up neverbes.
    I also think it borders on impersonation of something you are not.....and I also know that it is ILLEGAL in California (I am not sure of other states) to try to pass yourself off as a "doctor" unless you are a California licensed physician. One can not use the term doctor or M.D. or Physician unless the credentials have been EARNED.
    I presume for some it is some kind of ego trip. But for others, it took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to EARN the right to be addressed as Doctor. If a student addresses me as "Mister Holbrook" I correct them immediately for the simple fact I worked long and hard for the privilege and honor of being addressed Doctor and will not just let it slip by.
    ERNEST C. HOLBROOK, M.D. FACS

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    AMEN TO THAT HOLBROOK!!! It was nice having you at the BBQ by the way, see you at your office on Wednesday.
    “What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal.” - Albert Pike

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    my faith has been restored in HUMANITY

    gracias a todo el mundo!

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    De nada Losack!
    “What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal.” - Albert Pike

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    Dr.Losack, I completely agree with you. Students should not be calling themselves, docs, MD's, without having the degree in their hands, a PHd/MD/DO more particularly. In my opinion, even Pharamacists and Physical theraphists have the title doctors in their degrees, but should not introduce themselves as Docs in the traditional sense. Nurse Practitioners with Phds do have the right to use the title Dr. before their names, they should just clarify to their patients in clinical settings and (med students or contemplating med students) with big egos should take a step back, this is an entire debate on its own with the modern healthcare system in the US changing.

    However, with all the blood and sweat and long hours you spent on getting your degree, you should have also taken 5 minutes contemplating that not everyone in this world follows the rules of modesty. These days students have big egos and think they can succeed at anytime they put their heads to it, becoming docs in their little fantasy minds. They didn't face the world yet and have more coming to them. The reality is of the 100 people who post here wanting to be future docs, 5 will maybe graduate with a MD, many more will change their minds entering med school and even more less 2 might pass their USMLES to do a residency program in the US from UNIBE. You should not be concerned on the actions of these students or future docs as they call themselves, their fate will entirely be on themselves and be concerned about yourself, how as a physician you can better yourself and help your students/future patients succeed then rambling about this issue which has not point to it, ignorance can't be changed sometimes. Also writing something like, "My closest friend said UCE was worse than being in VIETNAM. 1976" doesn't really help your cause and you would be pissed on by most Vietnam veterans saying that. Going to med school in the slums can not and should not be compared to warfare anytime: going to see someone's head shot to your self in the right and left, most of your friends not surviving, innocent children and families dying for they were though as the enemies, then going through the post traumatic stress you would potentially face for the entirety of your mortal life were experienced in and after med school for you-something new I guess? But you should know that as a doc already. Also you went to med school for two initials after your name and all the self prestige in the world? If you worked for your degree, you should be prideful of it in your own head and again not give a pooh pooh what anyone says in this board, for a man's life is not based on his words but his actions. I see from your blog that you are heading to Bangladesh and India in late of this year, my parents were originally hindus from Bangladesh, it's a beautiful country, just very crowded. Gluck with your travels

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    From your blog, I can see that you are a man full of actions. I hope you strive as a physician and humanitarian continually.

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