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    Anyone going overseas and not making it (back)?

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    I would like to know if anyone here came to the UK or Ireland for medical school and did not make it (back) to the US... and/or did not get an internship in the EU...

    in such cases, what did/do you end up doing?
    what are your plans for the long term?
    what do you think were factors that contributed to this result?
    what advice do you have for students who consider going abroad?

    if you got an internship in the EU, did you successfully secure further training/career?

    please share your experience - it will help us learn something from it.
    Thank you.

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    There are not a whole lot of UK/IRE students lurking about on VMD, usually. Due to the significantly higher admissions standards in UK/IRE, North American students tend to have a pretty solid track record in matching in the US, if they wish to do so. Certainly their numbers are better than graduates from the E-EU medical schools, anyway...

    Of course, with the changes in the US Match as well as the opening/expansion of US medical schools, in the latter half of this decade those numbers could definitely change. However, I tend to believe that UK/IRE would probably remain the safest European place to study for people who want to return to the US for residency and practice.

    Further, I would suggest that the best source of information about matching from UK/IRE medical schools would be 1) the breakdown from the last match statistics report, as well as 2) a timely email to the folks at Atlantic Bridge | Study in Ireland -- they are the official application service for North Americans interested in Irish medical schools and should be able to provide more details.

    FWIW, I wish I had known about UK/IRE when I was starting my medical journey.
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    I did go overseas from high school into one of their 6 year BSc/MBChB programs, but made it back home after a 3 year BSc at a British medical school. Probably not your typical experience but something to think about. Most of the UK students from Canada in my opinion won't necessarily make it back but they all have backups in the form of FY1 and UK specialty training. Canadians going to Ireland have about a 60-70% match rate back to Canada which isn't too bad, but I anticipate it dropping in future years.
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    Thanks.

    I know that if you graduate from a UK med school, you are guaranteed at least FY1 and FY2. That is, if you graduate from a A100 program.

    so i take it that that ONLY applies A100 graduates? because SGUL program, for example, has a code other than A100 (it's A901), so i guess graduates of this program aren't 'guaranteed' anything?



    From U of London's St George (SGUL) brochure:


    POSTGRADUATE FOUNDATION YEAR 1,

    AND BEYOND

    At the end of the undergraduate course you will

    receive your MBBS (or equivalent) degree, which

    is a primary medical qualification (PMQ). Holding a

    PMQ entitles you to provisional registration with

    the General Medical Council, subject only to its

    acceptance that there are no Fitness to Practice

    concerns that need consideration. Provisional

    registration is time limited to a maximum of three

    years and 30 days (1125 days in total). After

    this time period your provisional registration will

    normally expire.

    Provisionally registered doctors can only practice in

    approved Foundation Year 1 posts: the law does not

    allow provisionally registered doctors to undertake

    any other type of work. To obtain a Foundation

    Year 1 post you will need to apply during the final

    year of your undergraduate course through the UK

    Foundation Programme Office selection scheme,

    which allocates these posts to graduates on a

    competitive basis. So far, all suitably qualified UK

    graduates have found a place on the Foundation

    Year 1 programme, but this cannot be guaranteed,

    for instance if there were to be an increased

    number of competitive applications from

    non-UK graduates.



    Successful completion of the Foundation Year 1

    programme is normally achieved within 12 months

    and is marked by the award of a Certificate of

    Experience. You will then be eligible to apply for full

    registration with the General Medical Council. You

    need full registration with a licence to practice for

    unsupervised medical practice in the NHS or private

    practice in the UK.

    Although this information is currently correct,

    students need to be aware that regulations in this

    area may change from time to time.

    There is some discussion about whether to remove

    provisional registration for newly qualified doctors.

    If this happens then UK graduates will receive

    full registration as soon as they have successfully

    completed an MBBS (or equivalent) degree. It should

    be noted that it is very likely that UK graduates will

    still need to apply for a training programme similar

    to the current Foundation Programme and that

    places on this programme may not be guaranteed

    for every UK graduate.

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    I believe it is for all UK graduates although the official policy is that spots are not guaranteed they always end up guaranteeing spots.

    While spots are guaranteed for FY1 and 2, you are eligible to compete for ST1 spots without any discrimination either.
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