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    Do the Irish schools deserve their rampant tuitions? If yes, how? .. and a document..

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    Guys I loose my temper when I see someone suck someone else please read the argument below and share your thoughts.. I really wonder how you the people reason that "IRISH SCHOOLS ARE GOOD" paradigm, if you do:

    I checked twice one of them, and it was 31.000Euro/year.. which makes 31.000x6=186.000Euro.. which makes 186.000x(appr)1,44=$267.840.. add over this the cost of living, which is not cheap as well.. oha!.. which means whoa! in Turkish, not literally of course really which of those best med schools (in or out of US) earn over med students this much!? Some years ago even Harward, which was top first then, was about $200.000.. To deserve this they must have something special.. what is that?

    Later I made a quick (may be too quick!, I dunno) comparison between the services and their presentation on the websites of the med schools, the best ones, and I realized that this Irish school, at least the one I checked, was selling the school in a 5-star touristic hotel frame.. I havent seen such a sales among all those US med school, neither in Harvard, nor in Vanderbilt, Texas... none! In the websites of those best schools they had a very serious, academical aura, while that Irish school had a high quality touristic place aura which is well tailored for the wealthy..

    Of course there should be a high academical quality as well, but how good? Or in better words, what extra thing do they offer to deserve that tuition?

    The lack of concrete info about academical stuff, and instead the website's too much touristic design created question marks in my mind.. for now I watch them with a sceptical eye.. but of course in Europe it may be the best among med programs in English (out of England), though I am not sure about that as well..

    How do you think? I dont want to position myself to a specific point of view and if they are doing something more than using the trend of todays conjuncture and selling for a high price, its ok and better.. I simply want to understand..
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    By the way, here is a 2010 study of CARMS, a non-profit, and see how the Irish and Polish are close to each other by various criteria.. so much that I got suspicious about CARMS , but its not a company (though the data is insufficient):
    http://www.carms.ca/pdfs/2010_CSA_Re...CSA_Report.pdf

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    The Irish schools are excellent. Some of them (Trinity-Dublin, especially) are among the best universities and medical schools in the world. They are well worth the money... assuming you are coming from a country with an economy that would support that kind of expenditure. If you are coming from Romania, with an average Romanian income, then unless you get a scholarship it isn't probably the best place. However, if you are coming from Boston, and your family is Irish, and you want to study there, then it could well be a fine choice. Remember also that a good number of these students will return to North America to practice medicine, where they will likely earn more than enough as a physician to pay for any student loans.

    Remember also that Ireland is marketing their universities to people who they are trying to convince to come and spend a load of money there. Aside from the academic elements of the programs, one of the best elements of Ireland is that it is a beautiful country with tons of history, and it is a popular tourist destination. Of course they play off of that. Hell, my university tries to do that with the nice parts of Bulgaria (Skiing in Bansko! Beaches at the Black Sea! Camping in the Pirin Mountains!). It doesn't work, because most people don't know anything about the nice parts of Bulgaria... but they still try it.

    The academics are solid in Ireland, though, don't worry about that. In fact, universities in Ireland are actually organized. Imagine that. They are competitive for admission. They maintain high standards. They have a strong international reputation.

    I have friends studying in Poland. Organization? No. Competitive? Not so much, at least for foreigners, with the exception of Jag and a couple of others. High standards? Meh. Strong international reputation? Depends on the school.

    Between the two locations, I would choose Ireland over any school in the E-EU. Including the higher cost.
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    Yes, you have many good points.. some are top- notch, and from the standpoint of a North American they may be first choice for turning back home in future... also the expensive schools should provide complementaries, clubs, social/natural environment etc.. and private schools are eventually financial organizations as well.. donations, investments, sales.. we must take everything in account and with a pragmatic approach the point is to get a well-recognized, quality education..

    I just dig dig and dig.. this may not be useful in detail.. but as we ask questions, we look at whatever we are used to, with another eye..

    Get loan or not.. now or later, evetually dont you yourself pay that money back? $267.000 is more than a quarter million man!.. its really huge (plus living costs, which is higher abroad I assume?).. more than a quarter million is a fortune.. we see Harvard's tuition "a fortune" and this is higher than Harvard's.. thats the point: what do they offer to deserve it? A better education? Nah! The only thing left is "sales factor".. it gives me an impression of the speculative highs of stock markets.. once you create that perception, also if you are well organized, as you mentioned as well, also if you have a little lobby in US/Canada, thats great! Open the doors for North American aspiring people..

    May be because of this reason CARMS is giving the statistics about distributed intl. med school locations, like Carib. Asia, Europe.. and also making comparisons between Irish and Polish schools.. when you look at the statistics you very clearly see that the outcomes are not that different..

    On the other hand, there is one another data:http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddata2011.pdf
    Mostly 40% of all of the non-US IMGs are having a match (in various residencies)! Do I interprete wrong, I dont know! its too good to be true.. what is the portion of those Irish schools graduates in that 40% ?

    Though we cant see how many of Irish schools' students are US citizens and how many non-US, and how many of them take place in that US IMGs portion.. the statistics dont get in that detail.. ok it may be easier for the Irish school graduates, but when I look at that 40% residency of non-US IMGs, I begin to think that instead of trying to have better chance by paying those Irish schools, isnt it better to pay 1/4 of that money for a special studio totally serving to me to get prepared for USMLE, including a little personal clinic, best private tutors etc

    But of course I put aside the top-notch ones like Trinity.. as long as their positions are not earned by lobbying, conjuncture and speculative perception etc.

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    Supply and Demand....

    The school doesn't care whether its product is worth 1/4 million as long as there are people willing to pay.
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    How does Australian med schools compare?

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    Kinda depends on the Aussie med school. Some of them have better reputations than others, and their track records vary in length.

    You can get a lot of information from the people at Oztrekk, they are very friendly and helpful.

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    Well, to be honest, Irish students dont have pay any fees at all.
    So unis have to make there money from somewhere, if not the desperate foreigners then who I ask?

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    I dare say that the foreign students who are accepted to Irish medical schools are far from "desperate." Admission is still quite competitive, and they don't just offer any chucklehead a seat in the programs. (They are paying a pantload more tuition than the Irish students, though, to be sure.)

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    Yes, quite understandable.
    I have been doing research on Irish med schools, qnd have put q question in thr forum but I havant got a answer.
    Basically the biggest thing I wanted to know was, beacuse im a British student am I classes as foreign or the same as Irish locals, because 33,000 is. Quite alot of money.
    Does anyone have an answer, and please answer my question in the forum if you cab

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    I meant *classed*

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