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    States that disapprove or limit licensure of SMU grads

    I copied and pasted the message bellow from the SMU official forum. This should be made a sticky so that prospective student know what is going on. Furthermore, this can eliminate all cali questions.


    "I emailed CA today about our status at SMU, as well as requirements for licensure concerning ACGME-accredited rotations. Here is the email...

    I hope that past and current St. Matthew's students realize that they are not eligible to train in or become licensed in California. Because St. Matthew's University is a disapproved school, no coursework completed at St. Matthew's can be applied toward the requirements to train in or become licensed in California.

    To date, St. Matthew's University has not applied for recognition by the California Board. In the future, St. Matthew's University could remedy its deficiencies and then reapply and request the California Medical Board to reevaluate the school. It's possible that the Board would grant St. Matthew's recognition after a new site inspection, if they are satisfied with the improvements that the school has made. It would take the Board several years to complete the new review process and reach a decision.

    However, if St. Matthew's gains recognition in the future, the recognition will be PROSPECTIVE from the date of the decision. Only those students who enroll in the school AFTER the decision date will be eligible to train in or become eligible for licensure. Previous St. Matthew's students/graduates will not be eligible for "grandfathering" or "individual review" or other such devices. They will not be able to practice medicine in California, regardless of whether they train in or obtain licensure in another state.

    No Californian should be training in an unrecognized or disapproved medical school. Offshore school administrators should not enroll Californians based on optimistic promises to obtain California recognition in the future or to win lawsuits against the California Medical Board.

    If you would like to become eligible to train in or become licensed in California, you will need to transfer into a California-recognized medical school and repeat ALL coursework you completed at St. Matthew's or any other medical school that the California Board doesn't recognize or has disapproved.

    If you complete any part of your medical education in an unrecognized or disapproved school, you will need to plan a medical career in another state that recognizes the school's education and diplomas.

    To respond to your question about California's clinical training requirements, California law requires 72 weeks of clinical training. A total of 54 weeks of training, including all cores, must be completed in approved teaching hospitals. Up to 18 weeks of electives may be completed in non-approved facilities. St. Matthew's students cannot complete any clinical training in California facilities of any type, as this would constitute a misdemeanor criminal offense.
    Pat Park, Foreign Schools Liaison, Medical Board of California"
    Last edited by studentMD; 10-04-2005 at 06:49 PM.
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    Thanks so much for your replies SMU sounds like a wonderful school, and Im looking forward to learning more about the school and the islands :0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_diddy43
    Does this apply to Indiana, Kansas, and Texas as well?
    The only 2 states with lists of approved/disapproved schools in the entire 50 states in the USA are : California and Indiana.
    Kansas simply has a 15 years in exsistance rule and should not be an issue.
    Texas has no lists and I personally know many grads from Cali disapproved schools fully licensed in Texas[from UTESA,Spartan...]
    Indiana as per the board meeting minutes in August 05 they have proposal to evaluate disapproved schools case by case[see my post on State license forum]
    so the only state is really an issue is California,however according the the federal government site,you can practice in CA in VA,Naval,...hospitals with any license in the USA anywhere.
    [above is my search,verify with appropriate authories to confirm].
    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASIANDOC
    so the only state is really an issue is California,however according the the federal government site,you can practice in CA in VA,Naval,...hospitals with any license in the USA anywhere.
    [above is my search,verify with appropriate authories to confirm].
    Good luck
    That statement is very misleading. Even if you work in a VA hospital, all the prescriptions you write will still have to be filled physically within California. I doubt any VA will hire you if you don't have a license to work in Cali. There are easier candidates to deal with.

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    Hyloran,that's why I said everyone must verify all info presented here,then what you are saying you need California license in order to work at California VA and military hospitals,thanks for sharing your experience and I assume you verified this for us[someone need to contact the VA to tell them to state on their info site you : must have CA license to practice in CA VA's].
    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASIANDOC
    The only 2 states with lists of approved/disapproved schools in the entire 50 states in the USA are : California and Indiana.
    Kansas simply has a 15 years in exsistance rule and should not be an issue.
    Texas has no lists and I personally know many grads from Cali disapproved schools fully licensed in Texas[from UTESA,Spartan...]
    Indiana as per the board meeting minutes in August 05 they have proposal to evaluate disapproved schools case by case[see my post on State license forum]
    so the only state is really an issue is California,however according the the federal government site,you can practice in CA in VA,Naval,...hospitals with any license in the USA anywhere.
    [above is my search,verify with appropriate authories to confirm].
    Good luck
    The only two states where SMU students can't do their residencies, or ever get licensed are California and Vermont (Vermont follows Cali, and has a physician surplus: UV produces more physicians than what the state needs). Indiana and Idaho are on the same boat (in other words Indiana and Idaho are similar to each other), (no licensure for Indiana, no licensure, no residency, no rotations in Idaho) but they both do accept licenses from other states. (ie work in NY for a couple a years get a license there then apply for a license there: Indiana or Idaho). Kansas has the 15 year rule. Texas, Tennessee (sp?), Colorado are on a case by case basis. I believe there is another state starts with an M located in the south, will get back to you on this one. These look at the California's list also.
    Last edited by Junito; 10-13-2005 at 01:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASIANDOC
    Hyloran,that's why I said everyone must verify all info presented here,then what you are saying you need California license in order to work at California VA and military hospitals,thanks for sharing your experience and I assume you verified this for us[someone need to contact the VA to tell them to state on their info site you : must have CA license to practice in CA VA's].
    good luck
    I said you need a CA license to be able to prescribe drugs for outpatients. You obviously do not need one to practice within the confines of the VA. So unless you deal exclusively with inpatients, it's going to be very hard to work at a VA.

    Second, what VA hospital in their right mind would hire an IMG who doesn't have the ability to practice in that state; when they could just as easily hire another IMG (from an approved foreign medical school) and save themselves the hassle (and potential civil/criminal liability). Just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it'll fly in the real world.

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    Question: Any chance of SMU to receive CALIFORNIA approval soon?

    Hey what's up everyone.


    Just a few questions:

    1) Does anyone know if SMU will eventually gain approval to practice in California in the near future?

    2) Is there a link to some page on the school's website that can show me which states have been approved for practice for SMU graduates?


    That's all for now.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR-SJK
    Hey what's up everyone.


    Just a few questions:

    1) Does anyone know if SMU will eventually gain approval to practice in California in the near future?

    2) Is there a link to some page on the school's website that can show me which states have been approved for practice for SMU graduates?

    That's all for now.

    Thanks.

    The short answer to question 1 is no...not anytime in the near future. If you want to or must practice in California, DON'T COME TO ST. MATT'S! And the answer to your second question is no as well. Although If you PM SMU-Info or search around on the St. Matt's forum, there is a list. Hope this helps.

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    There are only a few states that have an approval process currently in place. Most states are on a case by case approval process. This goes for graduates from all schools, not just SMU. There is therefore, no list to be posted. If you do a search, this has been discussed before. If you have a particular state that you have a question about you are more than welcome you send me an email and I'll let you know if we have someone there.

    Quote Originally Posted by DR-SJK
    Hey what's up everyone.


    Just a few questions:

    1) Does anyone know if SMU will eventually gain approval to practice in California in the near future?

    2) Is there a link to some page on the school's website that can show me which states have been approved for practice for SMU graduates?


    That's all for now.

    Thanks.
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    Hi. I am not a school official, simply a student. I truly believe we will get approved in California, as well as the other couple of states we are missing, eventually. I know we will. When? I have no idea. I am not privy to what the school administration is working on. I simply say this because I believe in SMU and where it is going. Skidoc is absolutely right. We currently are not approved by the great state of California, so please do not come to SMU if you must have California as your state of practice. We are very sorry, but we are working diligently on it. Best wishes!

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