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    States that disapprove or limit licensure of SMU grads

    I copied and pasted the message bellow from the SMU official forum. This should be made a sticky so that prospective student know what is going on. Furthermore, this can eliminate all cali questions.


    "I emailed CA today about our status at SMU, as well as requirements for licensure concerning ACGME-accredited rotations. Here is the email...

    I hope that past and current St. Matthew's students realize that they are not eligible to train in or become licensed in California. Because St. Matthew's University is a disapproved school, no coursework completed at St. Matthew's can be applied toward the requirements to train in or become licensed in California.

    To date, St. Matthew's University has not applied for recognition by the California Board. In the future, St. Matthew's University could remedy its deficiencies and then reapply and request the California Medical Board to reevaluate the school. It's possible that the Board would grant St. Matthew's recognition after a new site inspection, if they are satisfied with the improvements that the school has made. It would take the Board several years to complete the new review process and reach a decision.

    However, if St. Matthew's gains recognition in the future, the recognition will be PROSPECTIVE from the date of the decision. Only those students who enroll in the school AFTER the decision date will be eligible to train in or become eligible for licensure. Previous St. Matthew's students/graduates will not be eligible for "grandfathering" or "individual review" or other such devices. They will not be able to practice medicine in California, regardless of whether they train in or obtain licensure in another state.

    No Californian should be training in an unrecognized or disapproved medical school. Offshore school administrators should not enroll Californians based on optimistic promises to obtain California recognition in the future or to win lawsuits against the California Medical Board.

    If you would like to become eligible to train in or become licensed in California, you will need to transfer into a California-recognized medical school and repeat ALL coursework you completed at St. Matthew's or any other medical school that the California Board doesn't recognize or has disapproved.

    If you complete any part of your medical education in an unrecognized or disapproved school, you will need to plan a medical career in another state that recognizes the school's education and diplomas.

    To respond to your question about California's clinical training requirements, California law requires 72 weeks of clinical training. A total of 54 weeks of training, including all cores, must be completed in approved teaching hospitals. Up to 18 weeks of electives may be completed in non-approved facilities. St. Matthew's students cannot complete any clinical training in California facilities of any type, as this would constitute a misdemeanor criminal offense.
    Pat Park, Foreign Schools Liaison, Medical Board of California"
    Last edited by studentMD; 10-04-2005 at 06:49 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conor View Post
    Any idea if for the residency license we need to have done all greenbook rotations or is that only something that we need for full license? I did the Jackson Park Hospital FM Umbrella AIME rotations and have some IV's in TN before realizing this may pose an issue there
    Anyone?

    Also, I know we can do residency in TN, but what about fellowships?

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    Hi all,

    I am also wondering about Tennessee. So residency is okay there? I have some interviews at ETSU and Vanderbilt and would love to be able to Match there! How is it possible we can do residency there and not full license? Does anyone know if this would affect getting board certified in any way? Would love a reply since my first IV there is in a couple of weeks.

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    Are graduates allowed to obtain a license in Virginia?

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    Trust me please, as a caribbean grad from Ross, you do no t want to throw away your time, money, and efforts with this school. I have tons of friends that went to this school, not one recommended that i send my brother to St. Matthew's. From the top of the school all the way down to faculty, they are a mess and do not give a rats butt about you. They offer no financial aid (unless you illegally use money from an mba program to pay off your medical school tuition, even with that waste of time you will be short), they are not licensed in many states, they will keep changing rules while you remain there, and they have all sorts of legal troubles, lawsuits, etc. So they are on a nice island? If that is your reason to go there, God help you Seriously, please look to the better schools, like ROSS, SGU, AUC, AMA, AUA, and I am sure others. This school will put you in debt or weed you out, actually both. If you think you won't fall into this category, trust me you don't want to think like that and you will wish you listened to me if you get yourself into this mess. I sent my brother there despite the warnings, and now he is in a huge bind. Help yourself and heed this advice, i am doing this only to save people the pain and agony of what my brother had to endure. Sarim
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    Does SMU have any intention of ever re-applying for California?

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    They still don't have it or intend to apply for it in the near future. That's what they told me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaribbeanGrad View Post
    Trust me please, as a caribbean grad from Ross, you do no t want to throw away your time, money, and efforts with this school. I have tons of friends that went to this school, not one recommended that i send my brother to St. Matthew's. From the top of the school all the way down to faculty, they are a mess and do not give a rats butt about you. They offer no financial aid (unless you illegally use money from an mba program to pay off your medical school tuition, even with that waste of time you will be short), they are not licensed in many states, they will keep changing rules while you remain there, and they have all sorts of legal troubles, lawsuits, etc. So they are on a nice island? If that is your reason to go there, God help you Seriously, please look to the better schools, like ROSS, SGU, AUC, AMA, AUA, and I am sure others. This school will put you in debt or weed you out, actually both. If you think you won't fall into this category, trust me you don't want to think like that and you will wish you listened to me if you get yourself into this mess. I sent my brother there despite the warnings, and now he is in a huge bind. Help yourself and heed this advice, i am doing this only to save people the pain and agony of what my brother had to endure. Sarim

    Just Checking! Did your brother complete his medical degree and get to Residency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaribbeanGrad View Post
    Trust me please, as a caribbean grad from Ross, you do no t want to throw away your time, money, and efforts with this school. I have tons of friends that went to this school, not one recommended that i send my brother to St. Matthew's. From the top of the school all the way down to faculty, they are a mess and do not give a rats butt about you. They offer no financial aid (unless you illegally use money from an mba program to pay off your medical school tuition, even with that waste of time you will be short), they are not licensed in many states, they will keep changing rules while you remain there, and they have all sorts of legal troubles, lawsuits, etc. So they are on a nice island? If that is your reason to go there, God help you Seriously, please look to the better schools, like ROSS, SGU, AUC, AMA, AUA, and I am sure others. This school will put you in debt or weed you out, actually both. If you think you won't fall into this category, trust me you don't want to think like that and you will wish you listened to me if you get yourself into this mess. I sent my brother there despite the warnings, and now he is in a huge bind. Help yourself and heed this advice, i am doing this only to save people the pain and agony of what my brother had to endure. Sarim

    This guy is spot on. I wish I had read this before I started. Everything they tell you about the school is a lie. The school is a pile of chit. The mandating(aka babying) attendance will be the biggest hinderance to your studying along with the crappy indian professors who call you out. The only way to pass the school is to get the exams from people who already passed them. I can guarantee you that if you don't get the exams from someone who already has them, you will not pass this school. Still, you will have a chance of failing, because the school likes to give different questions to different people in an effort to weed certain students out. There was a first semester student who caught the school doing just that. His questions for histology had question stems removed, along with some questions being totally different. I mean how corrupt can you get. Also one of the professor's family member is a student, and he magically passes everything the first time despite lacking common knowledge. Everyone at the school knows how corrupt it really is, but are afraid to say something in fear of getting weeded out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuvictim0001 View Post
    This guy is spot on. I wish I had read this before I started. Everything they tell you about the school is a lie. The school is a pile of chit. The mandating(aka babying) attendance will be the biggest hinderance to your studying along with the crappy indian professors who call you out. The only way to pass the school is to get the exams from people who already passed them. I can guarantee you that if you don't get the exams from someone who already has them, you will not pass this school. Still, you will have a chance of failing, because the school likes to give different questions to different people in an effort to weed certain students out. There was a first semester student who caught the school doing just that. His questions for histology had question stems removed, along with some questions being totally different. I mean how corrupt can you get. Also one of the professor's family member is a student, and he magically passes everything the first time despite lacking common knowledge. Everyone at the school knows how corrupt it really is, but are afraid to say something in fear of getting weeded out.

    This is an absolutely ridiculous post. I am a recent graduate and matched into a really good program Internal med on my first try. I had good step scores but not amazing ( ie 240 or 250). First of all, if you fail out of basic sciences you either failed a drug test, didn't study hard enough, or aren't smart enough. If its the third, you will also fail at a big 4 school, or pass at a lower tier school but have difficulty with step exams. As far as attendance, yes its "mandatory" but its so easy to bypass this. I skipped so many lectures and had friends sign me in. That being said, you should probably attend lol. Next absurd statement, you need prior exams in order to pass. Yea only if you haven't studied or arent smart enough. When I was on the island I studied hard every single day. I didn't cry like a baby like some of these students I put in the work and I also had a great time on an amazing island ( I went out alot). Some exams ie patient doctor, I tried to rely on old exams and failed some of these exams and learned quickly that it wont work. And no they don't give different students different questions. I'd rate the basic sciences program an A minus. You get some good professors and some pooh poohty ones but thats all schools. And they aren't all indian ( you racist). Sometimes you have to do the work on your own.

    Now my criticism. Clinical sciences. Its pretty poor. You don't get much help from the office and have to do things on your own. Literally. However, alot of the students ahead of you will help you with this process so keep good relationships. Our clinical sites vary but most of them are mediocre. And we recently lost our best one ( Harbor in Baltimore). The problem is that it is being run by people who don't know much about medicine and what it takes to match. The upside to all of this is that clinicals are a breeze and your GPA will increase immensely. Downside is preparation for residency but its not all that bad you just have to be proactive in rotations.

    The clinical department also does a terrible job with the schools reputation and when you go on interviews for residency you will see this. It sucks because the school is not accepted in Cali and if this is important to you then you should choose otherwise. Also trying to get a residency in Gen Surg, Rads, Anesthesia, Derm etc is very tough and you need extremely high scores because of the schools reputation so keep this in mind. However, you can easily get a residency in family med or internal if you just do your job.

    I read these posts before I came about people trashing the school, but I knew a few people who went here before me and they advised me properly. Keep in mind, Im talking as an American Citizen. If you are not american matching becomes more difficult but it can be done.

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