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    Hi Guys,
    I visit this site once every year or so and came around it again today just to see some of these negative posts.

    Come on, get real. Any Carib medical school is just that...a Carib medical school. They're not US schools. Yes, some have better rotation sites than others.
    But the main point of it all is, just study your butt of for your Step 1 and 2, build some good connections during your rotations and land some good interviews.
    I graduated /walked in May of 2008 and I know of plenty of students from my class and before who are doing very well in practice and are building solid careers.
    I prematched into residency (actually was offered THREE different prematches). However prematches are a thing of the past as most hospitals are no longer doing that.

    I myself am a FM residency trained physician who has been doing Emergency Medicine/ Hospital Medicine since graduation.
    -Medical Director of an Emergency Department/ Hospital Medicine Department.
    -Medical Director of a County EMS and am the Medical Director of EIGHT counties in the State where I live.
    -Medical Director of a National ACO group of Hospitals.
    -VP of my State's Academy of Family Physicians.
    -Faculty at 2 Medical Schools in my State.

    I'm not trying to brag, just wanted to you to see that you can do well even if you're an SMU alumnus. It doesn't matter if you want to Ross, AUC, SGU, SMU or wherever, just do well on the USMLE Steps 1 and 2, impress folks on your clinical rotations and build good connections and land good residency interviews. It's definitely NOT easy, but I will tell you it's VERY doable. I wasn't a gunner at SMU, but I got my work done and did decent on my boards.

    No, I'm not a "fake student" or any other crap that I read on some of those forums. I'm just an SMU alum that wanted to remind those current and prospective students that it's definitely doable. I know the whole school loan situation is very different from when I was there, but if you can get through the semesters and stay the course, you're going to be fine.

    Like I said, I don't log onto these forums very often and if you post a comment I probably won't see it for a while. If you want to PM me I might be able to reply but might not be super quick with the reply.

    All the best!

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    This is wrong on so many levels. It's post like these which magically show up near the end of the registration for next semester which misguide naive students into falling into the SMU trap. Yes, I call it what it is, a TRAP.

    It's not as simple as just study for step 1 and step 2 and do good on those and you'll be set. The fact that you graduated in 2008 pretty much discredits anything you say at this point. The entire school is run under a completely different administration, and they are taking a totally different approach than your experience from almost 11 years ago.

    Key Point 1: This school will intentionally fail out students before they even get to attempt the step 1. There is >90% chance this will happen unless if you can make generous cash-based donations. After 90% of students are gone, from whoever is left, over half of these students get dismissed before attempting to match. Now from whoever is left, the school counts who matches from this and still has to lie. Only 1/3 of whoever is left actually matches.
    Key Point 2: On the island, the school picks and chooses who they pass and/or fail at their discretion by giving different students different exam questions.
    Key Point 3: The school violates the NBME rules by theft of examination questions at the very least (and even selling them)


    How someone can recommend this school is beyond me. Near the end of every semester, the potential students for next semester are underwhelming until a former success story pops up on this forum. By "just an alumni"

    And dude, don't even start with your defensive story. Tempt me and I'll go to NBME and show them the histo prof's "Take home concepts" pdf along with the leaked questions. They pretty much match up verbatim.

    tl;dr : The entire school is run on bribery from people linked the first generation of alumni. Don't come here expecting to be a doctor. There's over a 90% chance you'll leave in financial ruins and a potential career obliterated. Take the proof from all the recent posts, not a first gen alumni from 11 years ago. If you have a hard time believing my post, just look up who owned the school 11 years ago and who owns it now.

    Also, your last line is pretty interesting. It's a common phrase used among a certain region of which professors are the school are from (cough cough Manipal cough cough)
    Last edited by bravemaple8; 11-18-2018 at 01:56 AM.

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    Bravemaple8, sorry, but I'm a real alumnus from SMU. There's always got to be a few paranoid haters/ people on these forums...Geez how things haven't changed.

    I didn't say the school was great by any means...just the opposite as I was one who used to criticize them for lacking many potential things that could have been better when I was there.
    I was on a committee that interviews medical students for residency program and when medical school didn't matter much ... we looked at Step 1 and 2 scores. SO when I say study for step 1 and 2, thats what I meant. The Histo I had there at the time was definitely a joke...his powerpoints were absolutely useless when it came time to study for step 1. But that's much of medical school anyways... what's on the classroom tests might be completely different from whats required to know for Step 1.
    Yeah you might be right the school is completely different now from when I was there...and I would have no way of saying whether you're right or wrong.
    And no, I'm not an alumnus working on bribes.. I don't need any...but wouldn't mind one
    And no, I'm not from "Manipal" ...far from there... but you should try staying away from race-baiting..that's not cool in the real world away from ValueMD.

    Anyways, I'm not going to waste my time on people like Bravemaple8, there were always those like him/her who were on here for a few reasons: predominantly that they either failed out, were failing out, got rejected by the school, or at some other Carib school trash talking it.

    My post can apply to any Carib school, not just SMU, just get through the courses and stay away from unnecessary drama (and dramatic people like Bravemaple8 who probably are there just to drag people down) and in parallel grab some good USMLE review guides and hammer away at those as you go along.

    "All the Best"....(that's what we say here in America....and everywhere else in the world).


    ***PS, Just to reply to your statement about the "NBME questions".... If they are using the NBME questions, I don't know or care about the "legality" part of it, but I'm glad people are realizing that NBME/Step 1 focused questions are the way to go. Do as many NBME questions as you an get your hands on...they're all fair game for Step 1.
    Ok, I'l let Bravemaple8 go on his/her little rage now...but I won't reply to any more of his/her hater posts. If any REAL students want a reply from me in a meaningful timeframe just PM me...even you Bravemaple.
    Last edited by MDMBA999; 11-18-2018 at 05:29 AM.

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    This is not a rant, but an unapologetic compilation of facts based on the experience of an overwhelming majority of present and recent students from SMU

    I will re-emphasize:
    Key Point 1: This school will intentionally fail out students before they even get to attempt the step 1. There is >90% chance this will happen unless if you can make generous cash-based donations. After 90% of students are gone, from whoever is left, over half of these students get dismissed before attempting to match. Now from whoever is left, the school counts who matches from this and still has to lie. Only 1/3 of whoever is left actually matches.
    Key Point 2: On the island, the school picks and chooses who they pass and/or fail at their discretion by giving different students different exam questions.
    Key Point 3: The school violates the NBME rules by theft of examination questions at the very least (and even selling them)


    These are hard facts. You pretty much skimmed past the point where it's emphasized that >90% of students fail basic sciences, and that the school admin controls who passes/fails at their discretion. At SMU in the present, students pay bribes in order to be given a "fair chance" advantage.


    -PS: If you're defending theft of NBME questions, you're out of your mind. It's not an if, but when NBME finds out, that the alumni will face consequences such as revocation of their licensure. I sure hope you're not a real physician at this point, because it's your type without the ethics who are also committing other types of fraud in the medical industry.


    -Prospective students: just look at the ratio of negative to positive stories. You don't even need to look at the fact that the magical success stories pop up right before application cycles are about to end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravemaple8 View Post
    This is not a rant, but an unapologetic compilation of facts based on the experience of an overwhelming majority of present and recent students from SMU

    I will re-emphasize:
    Key Point 1: This school will intentionally fail out students before they even get to attempt the step 1. There is >90% chance this will happen unless if you can make generous cash-based donations. After 90% of students are gone, from whoever is left, over half of these students get dismissed before attempting to match. Now from whoever is left, the school counts who matches from this and still has to lie. Only 1/3 of whoever is left actually matches.
    Key Point 2: On the island, the school picks and chooses who they pass and/or fail at their discretion by giving different students different exam questions.
    Key Point 3: The school violates the NBME rules by theft of examination questions at the very least (and even selling them)


    These are hard facts. You pretty much skimmed past the point where it's emphasized that >90% of students fail basic sciences, and that the school admin controls who passes/fails at their discretion. At SMU in the present, students pay bribes in order to be given a "fair chance" advantage.


    -PS: If you're defending theft of NBME questions, you're out of your mind. It's not an if, but when NBME finds out, that the alumni will face consequences such as revocation of their licensure. I sure hope you're not a real physician at this point, because it's your type without the ethics who are also committing other types of fraud in the medical industry.


    -Prospective students: just look at the ratio of negative to positive stories. You don't even need to look at the fact that the magical success stories pop up right before application cycles are about to end.

    Iím not skimming over your points of alleged corruption. Like I said, when I was there it was not like that at all.
    Iím not defending the school just wanted to let those students who are going through the program know that you can have a great and successful career, if you get through it all.

    I personally would like to see some hard proof of these allegations posted on here for all to see. Allegations have been around forever of all schools.
    So go ahead and get some hard proof, Audio recording, scanned documents. Etc and post what you feel comfortable posting. If you donít feel comfortable posting it on here then report it to the relevant authorities like the WHO, the FSMB, Cayman Islands Police/ Education Ministry and let them do a thorough investigation.
    Otherwise it just sounds as if youíre a bitter person who should be studying if youíre a student, or a person who needs to move on in life from failing out and decide what your next best step in life would be. Sorry, not trying to be harsh but just to be blunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDMBA999 View Post
    I’m not skimming over your points of alleged corruption. Like I said, when I was there it was not like that at all.
    I’m not defending the school just wanted to let those students who are going through the program know that you can have a great and successful career, if you get through it all.

    I personally would like to see some hard proof of these allegations posted on here for all to see. Allegations have been around forever of all schools.
    So go ahead and get some hard proof, Audio recording, scanned documents. Etc and post what you feel comfortable posting. If you don’t feel comfortable posting it on here then report it to the relevant authorities like the WHO, the FSMB, Cayman Islands Police/ Education Ministry and let them do a thorough investigation.
    Otherwise it just sounds as if you’re a bitter person who should be studying if you’re a student, or a person who needs to move on in life from failing out and decide what your next best step in life would be. Sorry, not trying to be harsh but just to be blunt.
    You're a literal idiot. You came here specifically to defend the school. And now you're defending your defense. I'm sure that students who attend the school aren't going to be motivated by an anonymous source who graduated 11 years ago. Also, since you tempted me, I did report the PDF's of the leaked shelf exams (obtained from professors) along with certain review documents created by those same professors, to the ACCM, ECFMG, IAMSE, NBME, FSMB and AMA. Those are the real accreditation committees that'll actually do something.

    Now please reciprocate by showing me which Family Medicine program you matched in. (obtained from pasting SMU 2008 match list link using webarchive)

    State Program Institution Program Name Last Name First Name
    AL Montgomery Family Medicine- Montgomery Family Medicine Hill Vernishia
    AL Physician's Medical Center, Carraway- Birmingham Family Medicine Boury Sheena
    AR UAMS-AHEC-Fayetteville Family Medicine Hussain ****
    CAN Dalhousie University Med Ed- New Brunswick Family Medicine ***** Genevieve
    FL University of Florida COM, Shands Hospital-Gainesville Family Medicine Pennington Brent
    GA Floyd Family Practice-Rome Family Medicine Strickland Catherine
    GA Mercer University SOM, Medical Center Central- Macon Family Medicine Russell Dustin
    GA Mercer University SOM, Medical Center Central- Macon Family Medicine Crenshaw Bryan
    GA Mercer University SOM, Medical Center Central- Macon Family Medicine Walton II Eugene
    IL Southern Illinois University- Carbondale Family Medicine Ebere John
    IL University of Southern Illinois- Decatur Family Medicine Ramdass Chitra
    KY University of Kentucky Medical Center- Lexington Family Medicine Atkins Robert
    LA Baton Rouge General Family Medicine- Baton Rouge Family Medicine Tilley *******
    LA LSU- Lake Charles Family Medicine Pippin Jennifer
    ME Central Maine Medical Center- Lewiston Family Medicine Koteles Alicia
    MI Henry Ford Hospital-Detroit Family Medicine Hamed Mustafa
    MI Munson Medical Center-Traverse City Family Medicine Nguyen John
    MI Oakwood Hospital- Dearborn Family Medicine Bolina Manish
    NY NY Medical College, St ******'s- Yonkers Family Medicine Luu Tuyet
    NY Stony Brook Univ Med Ctr- Stony Brook Family Medicine Afghani Mahmood
    UK Northern General Hospital Family Medicine Kelly Sean
    UK Wythenshawe Hospital- Manchester Family Medicine Bostock Fergus
    VA Bon Secours St *******- Richmond Family Medicine Mucius Bernice
    VA Carilion Clinic- Roanoke Family Medicine Mansouri Bita
    WI Medical College Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals- Milwaukee Family Medicine Patel Sarjoo


    I looked into all the family medicine matches from back then, googled all the names, but couldn't find anyone alumni who is as extraordinary as you claim to be. Please share with all of us which wiseacre from that list you are.

    I will reiterate: Over 90% of the students fail out during basic sciences. There are numerous threads and posts which tell you this, in contrast with the success story posts a few days before application cycles end.

    You want to defend the school? THat's cool, but the people who got screwed over aren't going anywhere either. It's not a matter of moving on, it's a matter of principle. The school hurt these students and their careers and their wallets. Now they can suffer the consequences.

    And finally, if R3 Education is so innocent, then why do they have numerous lawsuits filed against them? Both you as well as prospective students can google them, as due diligence. Also, why does R3 insist on settling out of court so many times?

    PS: Your last line: "All the best!" is uncommon in the U.S., as we say, "Best of luck" or "Good luck". Please go through a Bollywood movie subtitle file and tell me how many times you find "All the best" and now compare it with a Hollywood subtitle file. Like I said, this rings Manipal. And I'm no racist, I'm the same ethnicity as you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravemaple8 View Post
    You're a literal idiot. You came here specifically to defend the school. And now you're defending your defense. I'm sure that students who attend the school aren't going to be motivated by an anonymous source who graduated 11 years ago. Also, since you tempted me, I did report the PDF's of the leaked shelf exams (obtained from professors) along with certain review documents created by those same professors, to the ACCM, ECFMG, IAMSE, NBME, FSMB and AMA. Those are the real accreditation committees that'll actually do something.

    Now please reciprocate by showing me which Family Medicine program you matched in. (obtained from pasting SMU 2008 match list link using webarchive)

    State Program Institution Program Name Last Name First Name
    AL Montgomery Family Medicine- Montgomery Family Medicine Hill Vernishia
    AL Physician's Medical Center, Carraway- Birmingham Family Medicine Boury Sheena
    AR UAMS-AHEC-Fayetteville Family Medicine Hussain ****
    CAN Dalhousie University Med Ed- New Brunswick Family Medicine ***** Genevieve
    FL University of Florida COM, Shands Hospital-Gainesville Family Medicine Pennington Brent
    GA Floyd Family Practice-Rome Family Medicine Strickland Catherine
    GA Mercer University SOM, Medical Center Central- Macon Family Medicine Russell Dustin
    GA Mercer University SOM, Medical Center Central- Macon Family Medicine Crenshaw Bryan
    GA Mercer University SOM, Medical Center Central- Macon Family Medicine Walton II Eugene
    IL Southern Illinois University- Carbondale Family Medicine Ebere John
    IL University of Southern Illinois- Decatur Family Medicine Ramdass Chitra
    KY University of Kentucky Medical Center- Lexington Family Medicine Atkins Robert
    LA Baton Rouge General Family Medicine- Baton Rouge Family Medicine Tilley *******
    LA LSU- Lake Charles Family Medicine Pippin Jennifer
    ME Central Maine Medical Center- Lewiston Family Medicine Koteles Alicia
    MI Henry Ford Hospital-Detroit Family Medicine Hamed Mustafa
    MI Munson Medical Center-Traverse City Family Medicine Nguyen John
    MI Oakwood Hospital- Dearborn Family Medicine Bolina Manish
    NY NY Medical College, St ******'s- Yonkers Family Medicine Luu Tuyet
    NY Stony Brook Univ Med Ctr- Stony Brook Family Medicine Afghani Mahmood
    UK Northern General Hospital Family Medicine Kelly Sean
    UK Wythenshawe Hospital- Manchester Family Medicine Bostock Fergus
    VA Bon Secours St *******- Richmond Family Medicine Mucius Bernice
    VA Carilion Clinic- Roanoke Family Medicine Mansouri Bita
    WI Medical College Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals- Milwaukee Family Medicine Patel Sarjoo


    I looked into all the family medicine matches from back then, googled all the names, but couldn't find anyone alumni who is as extraordinary as you claim to be. Please share with all of us which wiseacre from that list you are.

    I will reiterate: Over 90% of the students fail out during basic sciences. There are numerous threads and posts which tell you this, in contrast with the success story posts a few days before application cycles end.

    You want to defend the school? THat's cool, but the people who got screwed over aren't going anywhere either. It's not a matter of moving on, it's a matter of principle. The school hurt these students and their careers and their wallets. Now they can suffer the consequences.

    And finally, if R3 Education is so innocent, then why do they have numerous lawsuits filed against them? Both you as well as prospective students can google them, as due diligence. Also, why does R3 insist on settling out of court so many times?

    PS: Your last line: "All the best!" is uncommon in the U.S., as we say, "Best of luck" or "Good luck". Please go through a Bollywood movie subtitle file and tell me how many times you find "All the best" and now compare it with a Hollywood subtitle file. Like I said, this rings Manipal. And I'm no racist, I'm the same ethnicity as you are.

    Wow...You really need to get a life dude.
    Geez, whether my name is on that list or not, now I definitely won't be putting it out there as I don't want a crazy stalker calling up my different hospitals... that's borderline obsessive personality disorder.... just sayin..


    I came on here to tell students that MY EXPERIENCE at SMU was adequate enough to do well and there's quite a few people from WAY BACK in my days that are doing well also.

    I could care less about the administration of the school, they might be pretty shady and honestly if that's true, it's sad and there's nothing I can do about it. I think its horrible if they drag students along for tuition money and then they have all that debt to pay back. It really is sad and I know that has happened to med students at SMU and at other Carib schools (less so at AUC, Ross, and SGU).

    The onus is on people like you to report this stuff to the relevant authorities if you're that concerned. If you have a legitimate case, they should take action. I'm not a judge or an authority on state licensing but common sense at best is nobody should stand for that.

    So with that being said, I'll no longer be wasting my time on replying to people like Bravemaple8 or any other names that he/she might want to register under.

    My message to SMU students / Carib students everywhere is that it's all possible. God help you guys for the drama that you guys might be in right now if the things Bravemaple is saying is true. Get lawyers if you have to ,but that's a distraction nobody needs in med school. Rock your Boards, make good connections during rotations, and apply all over for interviews in the field that you want. Ignore distractions as best as possible, whether it's from shady administrators or shady current/former students who might want to drag others down with them.

    FYI, I won't be replying to posts by Bravemaple or any other possible trolls that he/she might use. It's not worth anybody's time to do so. So if you have any burning questions that I can help with, you'll get a quicker reply if you PM me and I'll try to get back to you.

    ALL THE BEST

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