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    I was taking kaplan in miami and almost the entire class including myself failed kaplan board.......can someone explain me the followin please......how can students get As and ** while taking basic sciences and than go to miami study kaplan like carzy and do as miserable as we did? One would think that if we were gettin good grades in GC than we were well prepared for Step, but look what happened....where did we go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartDoc View Post
    I was taking kaplan in miami and almost the entire class including myself failed kaplan board.......can someone explain me the followin please......how can students get As and ** while taking basic sciences and than go to miami study kaplan like carzy and do as miserable as we did? One would think that if we were gettin good grades in GC than we were well prepared for Step, but look what happened....where did we go wrong?
    students complain....teachers give 10 pt curves...passes everyone...everyone moves on....fails the boards.....

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    let's be realistic. most carib schools curve big time. so even a 70% may be an "A".

    As happy as that may make you, a 70% means you really don't know your shizzle. What you scored on the shelf exams is a better indicator of how you'd do on step 1 material, like kaplan.

    Getting "good grades" also doesn't mean you'll retain the information. A lot of med school is binge & purge. if you cram a lot, and then forget everything the minute after your exams, you're not gonna remember a lot come time to review for step 1.

    frankly, good grades at a caribbean school are a joke.


    But wait, don't you guys get kaplan materials all throughout basic sciences? you should be familiar with it by now, and kaplan shoulda been a breeze. Did you do your kaplan the past 2 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartDoc View Post
    I was taking kaplan in miami and almost the entire class including myself failed kaplan board.......can someone explain me the followin please......how can students get As and ** while taking basic sciences and than go to miami study kaplan like carzy and do as miserable as we did? One would think that if we were gettin good grades in GC than we were well prepared for Step, but look what happened....where did we go wrong?
    I think it answers my question http://www.valuemd.com/st-matthews-u...ion-usmle.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by popozao View Post
    But wait, don't you guys get kaplan materials all throughout basic sciences? you should be familiar with it by now, and kaplan shoulda been a breeze. Did you do your kaplan the past 2 years?
    Kaplan was a new concept when they started. There was no Kaplan review in Miami/Maine, and the books were there to supplement your learning (i.e. like a BRS text). If they knew from day one that they'd be taking a Kaplan exam, like students do now, I'm sure they'd have studied Kaplan more instead of reading BRS and RRS for their board prep/Basic Science studies.

    The whole tune has changed at school since the recent changes, and more people are freakin' out about boards from day one. This is a good thing, and will force students to prepare from the beginning, which will hopefully, in turn lead to higher board pass rates.

    BTW: I agree that Basic Science grades don't mean anything about how much you know (well, failing grades tell something, but not A's or B's)
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFTim View Post
    Kaplan was a new concept when they started. There was no Kaplan review in Miami/Maine, and the books were there to supplement your learning (i.e. like a BRS text). If they knew from day one that they'd be taking a Kaplan exam, like students do now, I'm sure they'd have studied Kaplan more instead of reading BRS and RRS for their board prep/Basic Science studies.

    but US students use BRS books, and they do fine. Pathology is pathology. There is no BRS pathology vs Kaplan pathology. the material is all the same.

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    the differences are...

    for many ones incl. myself have not seen these materials before!! so, some of us still are reading the slides and text to understand the mat. and concept for THE FIRST TIME. so, is it possible for us to read SUCH AN ABBREVIATED MATERIALS SUCH AS KAPLAN? not really! KAPLAN is a REVIEW and should req. students already prepared. then, some of us cannot have time to study both sides. for you, uftim, you might have already done the same subj THREE or FOUR times including your edu from high school up to this point.

    for some, they simply do not care if they have backgrounds or not. there is nothging that you can do to move these pp forward for any step.

    for others, they simply just do kaplan review w/o any backgrounds to seek for short cuts. guess what, step 1 type of standard exam req. understanding and its application. in addition, it is a very dynamic exam, if i am not too much mistaken here.

    for those outstanding students, i simply solute to anyone that does well. these bright, well exposed w/ BACKGROUNDS, and also hard working people have already started their science training since 8-14 yrs old. (i got my children started going to summer science school at 5. they are asking me questions that i never even heard for my life time.) so, they have seen these area of mat. for over over over again. so, for these folks, there is LESS challenge.

    i HAD ZERO ZERO ZERO backgrounds in natural science, as i came from computer s/w engineering and business world. let me give you another example, i never heard of Na+ (sodium) until a couple years ago and i have been around for many decades. in addition, i never learned english until i was my mid 20's. so, you could figure out what backgrounds i had before i joined SMU!!!

    give you another example, i could not finish my first anatomy exam in SMU, which i guessed about 20-25 q's at the end to get by. then, i realized that i must read TEXT to understand these...so, i started to read my text in med school...in computer and/or business world, i talked to computer in a low level language (close to machine language) and dealt w/ business (numbers and the smartness to be able to THINK and CREATE something that never existed before.) when would i ever need to use extensive english to process voluminous materials & complext business models/trading systems? the answer is NO...so, now i have improved so much my enligsh reading skill and my writing as well...i am glad that i recognized that problem myself when i stepped into SMU. as a result, i have gained a lot from this game so far.

    therefore, we have many types of students that req. different types and needs of learning in this game. as with the old sayings, there are many roads that lead to Rome. the students that have had the same classes w/ me so far should know how far i have come to this point, having heard my story in this note.

    folks! if i am still here working on this journey, you have no single excuse not to continue...in addition, while i am studying in school, i also have to work for myself to maintain my expenses in GC and in US. believe me! i am grafully saying that i do have HUGE expenses to maintain my very expensive homes in major metropolitan cities on the east and the west coasts of US.

    most importantly, i must give all these credits to my great professors/mentors in SMU. w/ their encouragements and caring, kind attitudes toward me, i have come this far w/ much less fear than the moment when i stepped in the SMU's doorstep!! w/o my teachers' knowledge and their patience to take me along their arms for all these baby steps, i would not have done this much and could not possibly continue on w/ all the challenges that i have faced and will be encountering in the future!!!

    i am so glad that i no longer feel that i had no backgrounds in natural science. consequently, i now have no fear of reading articles in medical science from wall street journals or intenet announcements. i am also very delighted that i am able to get involved in all these 3 areas of science-computer technology, medicine, and business.

    how fortunate and grateful i am to be in this existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by UFTim View Post
    Kaplan was a new concept when they started. There was no Kaplan review in Miami/Maine, and the books were there to supplement your learning (i.e. like a BRS text). If they knew from day one that they'd be taking a Kaplan exam, like students do now, I'm sure they'd have studied Kaplan more instead of reading BRS and RRS for their board prep/Basic Science studies.

    The whole tune has changed at school since the recent changes, and more people are freakin' out about boards from day one. This is a good thing, and will force students to prepare from the beginning, which will hopefully, in turn lead to higher board pass rates.

    BTW: I agree that Basic Science grades don't mean anything about how much you know (well, failing grades tell something, but not A's or B's)
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    Worry more about what you get on the NBME self assessment. The kaplan exam is not the best predictor to what you will get on the Step 1 exam (though it does give you some idea).

    Kaplan Pathology vs. BRS pathology vs. Goljan...I found the Goljan book to be superior since he integrates everything in a more efficient manner. That is what you should be focusing on now, integration: How can you translate what you learned in the basic sciences to a clinical setting? Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by popozao View Post
    but US students use BRS books, and they do fine. Pathology is pathology. There is no BRS pathology vs Kaplan pathology. the material is all the same.
    again, those books are all review books, not texts. in order to maximize your score using those books, you are supposed to have good teaching before you use them.
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    Why eveyone is afraid of pointing any finger at the failure of adminstration at Cayman for all these disappointinmg results? We need a new dean with a fresh start!

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