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    SGU vs the other offshore medical schools

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    I've heard alot of glowing remarks/reviews about SGU, and funny enough, even some of the negative ones, seem to be not so bad, (saw an old thread on the decelerated program) notwithstanding i know that there must be some things that go on that aren't easy to discuss but would be important for an incumbent student to know


    There are practices that are prevalent at many of the other offshore medical schools that i will enumerate below, I'm curious as to how many of these are similar w/ SGU

    It is not an attempt to slander SGU, i just want to have a clear picture of what the academic practices employed are

    1. Professors reusing exams from semester to semester.

    2.Lax examination practices, such as exams being proctored by the same professor that teaches the class, no additional invigilators or proctors student being able to carry material into the exam room with them other than writing material such as programmable calculators, note/textbooks,cell phones, pda's etc.

    3.Professors consistently not showing up for classes.

    4. Practices re students caught cheating. {are they stringently dealt w/
    or do they merely recieve a slap on the wrist}

    Basically my question is this, is SGU a school with stringent academic practices and where students are evaluated on what they have learned vs how well they can study old exams & be dishonest.


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    For the last 10 or so years, exams have been sequestered. (i.e. you can't take the exam out of the hall when you are done.) No, the exact same exams are not reused, but in making a new exam for each term, questions are pulled from a secret, sequestered test bank of stastically-validated (professor-speak for fair) questions.

    Members of the department giving the exam are in the hall to officially start/stop the exam, but the exams are proctored by usually 4 unaffiliated SGU employees. Exam policies are pretty strict and similar to USMLE regs: no calculators, phones, PDA's, backbacks, and all hats must be turned backwards or off. All students must show ID to get into the exam hall, and they must sign an honor code before/after the exam. Seating is usually randomized and assigned, with name/seat number on the exam booklet, so they know if someone took an exam/pages out of an exam. Any question thought to be unfair can only be challenged in writing immediately following the exam, while still in the lecture hall, without access to notes/references/etc.

    I've never had a professor not show up to class (me on the other hand is a different story). We actually had a venerable professor of embryology give his entire lecture verbatim from memory during a power outage, instead of cancelling class.

    I have never seen anybody cheating, nor have I heard of anyone caught, so I can't answer your last question.

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    academic practices

    Quote Originally Posted by giftedone
    I've heard alot of glowing remarks/reviews about SGU, and funny enough, even some of the negative ones, seem to be not so bad, (saw an old thread on the decelerated program) notwithstanding i know that there must be some things that go on that aren't easy to discuss but would be important for an incumbent student to know

    There are practices that are prevalent at many of the other offshore medical schools
    that i will enumerate below, I'm curious as to how many of these are similar w/ SGU

    It is not an attempt to slander SGU, i just want to have a clear picture of the academic practices employed are

    1. Professors reusing exams from semester to semester.

    2.Lax examination practices, such as exams being proctored by the same professor that teaches the class, no additional invigilators or proctors s
    tudent being able to carry material into the exam room with them other than writing material such as programmable calculators, note/textbooks,cell phones, pda's etc.

    3.Professors consistently not showing up for classes.

    4. Practices re students caught cheating. {are they stringently dealt w/
    or do they merely recieve a slap on the wrist}

    Basically my question is this, is SGU a school with stringent academic practices and where students are evaluated on what they have learned vs how well they can study old exams & be dishonest.

    1. Most professors have a test bank which they draw questions from. This bank can have thousands of questions. Studying old exams is a good way to reinforce the material you are learning. It's not good enough to simply study old exams and expect to do well. My experience first term was that Embryo and Histo had questions on the exam that were on old exams. Biochem to a lesser degree and Anatomy are consistently new.

    2. Testing practices are acceptable. All courses have more than one professor. All professors will be at your exam (unless class is divided into seperate rooms). Faculty from other classes will also help with proctoring exams. Example/ Anatomy professors helped proctor the Embryology exam. You are not allowed anything with you except your student id, a couple pencils and an erasor. They even make you take off your hats.

    3. I laughed at this one. I don't think a professor ever missed a class during first term. The only one that did was the scottish guy running the professional development class never showed up one afternoon.

    4. I have not witnessed anyone getting caught cheating nor do I know how they are dealt with... perhaps some of the older and wiser SGU members will know more.

    I believe the school does a pretty good job evaluating what you have learned and not just how well you can read old tests and memorize. People who choose the memorize route don't do very well. SGU also sequesters their exams now (since 98 or so). Any old exams are 97 and before... profs have changed... questions they like to ask have changed.

    Study hard and know the material and you'll do well. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giftedone
    I've heard alot of glowing remarks/reviews about SGU, and funny enough, even some of the negative ones, seem to be not so bad, (saw an old thread on the decelerated program) notwithstanding i know that there must be some things that go on that aren't easy to discuss but would be important for an incumbent student to know


    There are practices that are prevalent at many of the other offshore medical schools that i will enumerate below, I'm curious as to how many of these are similar w/ SGU

    It is not an attempt to slander SGU, i just want to have a clear picture of what the academic practices employed are

    1. Professors reusing exams from semester to semester.

    2.Lax examination practices, such as exams being proctored by the same professor that teaches the class, no additional invigilators or proctors student being able to carry material into the exam room with them other than writing material such as programmable calculators, note/textbooks,cell phones, pda's etc.

    3.Professors consistently not showing up for classes.

    4. Practices re students caught cheating. {are they stringently dealt w/
    or do they merely recieve a slap on the wrist}

    Basically my question is this, is SGU a school with stringent academic practices and where students are evaluated on what they have learned vs how well they can study old exams & be dishonest.


    To answer your question in a nutshell, none of this happens at SGU and thats the honest TRUTH

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    fair questions....

    These questions are all legit questions.....

    I think most kids that come here are a bit apprehensive about going to an offshore school and worry about the "quality" and "integrity" of education here.

    SGU takes cheating very seriously. They have proctored exams and we are not allowed to bring in calculators, pdas, cell-phones, etc.

    Tests are sequestered so the most recent exams we can usually get our hands on are from 1998 or so.....

    basically, they test from their lecture material....

    but to answer your real question....this school is legit and takes itself very seriously when discussing academic intergrity. There may be other things at the school that are frustrating to work with, but as far as 'quality of education' goes...we are getting a good one here in Grenada.

    I would rank SGU's education up against most state medical schools in the US after long discussions with many of my friends in programs back in the US. There are some very SMART kids in our classes........

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    why cheat?

    Study takes less efforts than cheaing, at least in SGU.

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    none of that stuff applies here. although there was a professor who didnt come to class once, it was only clinical skills(which is a joke anyway), and the story behind that was because the department was supposed to have a visiting professor, and they had somehow thought that the person was coming and he didnt come, because supposedly due to the schedule change from hurricane ivan...

    so whether or not it is ACTUALLY based on Ivan, the point is that none of the stuff really applies here.....this school really tries, and for the most part succeeds, to have its standards of education meet or exceed the standards at US med schools...


    but again, im sure some on this forum wouldn't agree with me, but that's my opinion...
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    One hole in the armor

    SGU exam policies are quite good and complete, though I have discovered a possible flaw (I would never use it of course). It is concievable that two students could exchange social security #s and sit and write eachother's exams. They would need to both be in the same course but for some courses like the pathology final where bonus points add up and someone can take a "C" and still get an A, this might be an issue. The scantrons are all passed to the side at the end of the test, and no one would ever find out about this with the school's current methodology.

    Personally, this is only evidence of my creative mind and antisocial tendencies... I doubt this is a serious gap in sgu exam workings.

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