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    Thoughts on SGU as it exists today? Worth it or skip?

    I know some people who graduated from SGU and the consensus is that SGU is the best of the Caribbean medical schools. I don't know anybody at SGU right now so I want to know if you think SGU is till as good of a school as it was or if things have changed. I have a friend who matched several years ago into a somewhat competitive specialty but he says it's just a giant risk and he wouldn't do it again if he had the chance. I also know a few SGU students who matched into surgical prelim positions and I don't know what became of them after.

    I looked at another school called Medical University of the Americas which is in St. Kitts & Nevis because it is the least expensive but I haven't heard good things about that school either.

    My understanding has always been that it is getting harder to match from a Caribbean school but I wanted to know if there was any truth to it.

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    Well according to the website it says that there is like 1100 matches so I think, at minimum, it is safe to say that half of the students that enroll do not match. That's crazy.

    Also, we don't know how many people on the match list matched after two years. That complicates things further.

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    Also, Iím not sure if all the students would want to match. I imagine there are some students who are just going there for the US clinical experience and will return to their home countries after graduating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denim View Post
    Also, Iím not sure if all the students would want to match. I imagine there are some students who are just going there for the US clinical experience and will return to their home countries after graduating.
    If you take a look at the enrollment figures that SGU posts on the website, most of the students in the Doctor of Medicine program are US and Canadian with a very small portion being from other countries. SGU makes money off the federal money so there is really no incentive to accept foreign students unless they are incredibly wealthy.

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    Interesting. In that case, I would assume the smaller schools would be popular for non Americans. They have lower tuition fees and are not reliant of federal funding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denim View Post
    Interesting. In that case, I would assume the smaller schools would be popular for non Americans. They have lower tuition fees and are not reliant of federal funding
    The smaller schools are more popular with Canadians because some of them are cheaper but the lower tuition comes with more risk because the smaller schools have many more roadblocks to graduate and then match.

    Some schools have in-house examinations that you need to pass before sitting for STEP 1 and 2. Those in-house exams are purposely made hard so students get filtered (failed) out so that only a certain amount can move on to third year.

    As shady as SGU is I would say it's still the best out of all the Caribbean programs due to it's track record and reputation but today is very different than when the school was founded and up until maybe a decade ago.

    I think the Caribbean is too expensive and way too risky today.

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    Guys, just look at the match list on the website. It looks pretty standard to the match list for the year I graduated. People seem to be getting some pretty good residencies. Everyone loves to talk about how everything is different these days but we all said the same thing 10 years ago. I would just do some serious soul searching before you decide to jump. SGU will give you the opportunity to become a physician, that's all. They don't spoon-feed anything and only sheer will, determination and tenacity will get you through.

    To the guy asking about living expenses... They were very reasonable. Food and housing on Grenada is cheap. Some of the landlords will increase prices taking advantage of the fact that you are a student from a higher cost of living area but if you know where to look and shop, everything was very reasonable. I came through after Hurricane Ivan so I ever actually lived on campus and after first term I rented my own apt in town so I can't speak to the cost of living in the dorm. Food is CHEAP. The locals used to set up this big tent to sell food in Grand Anse and I could stock up on 2 days worth for about 10EC ~4 bucks It was ridiculous. The island is full of British expats who had mediocre retirement savings and decided to retire to Grenada instead to live the high life on a small dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groove View Post
    Guys, just look at the match list on the website. It looks pretty standard to the match list for the year I graduated. People seem to be getting some pretty good residencies. Everyone loves to talk about how everything is different these days but we all said the same thing 10 years ago. I would just do some serious soul searching before you decide to jump. SGU will give you the opportunity to become a physician, that's all. They don't spoon-feed anything and only sheer will, determination and tenacity will get you through.

    To the guy asking about living expenses... They were very reasonable. Food and housing on Grenada is cheap. Some of the landlords will increase prices taking advantage of the fact that you are a student from a higher cost of living area but if you know where to look and shop, everything was very reasonable. I came through after Hurricane Ivan so I ever actually lived on campus and after first term I rented my own apt in town so I can't speak to the cost of living in the dorm. Food is CHEAP. The locals used to set up this big tent to sell food in Grand Anse and I could stock up on 2 days worth for about 10EC ~4 bucks It was ridiculous. The island is full of British expats who had mediocre retirement savings and decided to retire to Grenada instead to live the high life on a small dime.
    This is such an irresponsible answer/argument.

    10 years ago SGU wasn't taking in 1000-1200 students per term. The match list clearly shows around 1000 matches. According to basic arithmetic, that would mean half of the people that start do not become doctors.

    SGU charges $32000 for tuition alone per term. The whole med program might cost approx 400K. 50% chance of becoming a doctor with at least 400K debt + interest is insane!

    I would say you need to do more than soul searching before embarking on a high-risk journey like that.

    I would seriously rethink the way you are looking at this argument...especially considering you are saying you are a doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopefulmed95 View Post
    This is such an irresponsible answer/argument.

    10 years ago SGU wasn't taking in 1000-1200 students per term. The match list clearly shows around 1000 matches. According to basic arithmetic, that would mean half of the people that start do not become doctors.

    SGU charges $32000 for tuition alone per term. The whole med program might cost approx 400K. 50% chance of becoming a doctor with at least 400K debt + interest is insane!

    I would say you need to do more than soul searching before embarking on a high-risk journey like that.

    I would seriously rethink the way you are looking at this argument...especially considering you are saying you are a doctor.
    Yes, there is a large portion of the class that flunks out because they can't handle the work load and/or do not possess the capacity to excel. What...you wanted assurances that if the school accepts you for matriculation, you will successfully make it through? Think again. You do realize that the drop out rate for American medical school classes is around 16-20% right? What do you think that makes a Caribbean class full of students who couldn't make it into a US school?

    I can still remember some of the half *** students in my incoming class who were beach bums and throwing parties every other weekend. None of them were serious about becoming a physician. Luckily, first and second semester were almost impossible to make it through with that attitude. They disappeared rather quickly and hopefully did not incur an insurmountable debt in the process.

    Yes, medical school is expensive at SGU but it's not impossible to pay off. I owed 400K when I finished residency. I paid 100% off in 4.5 years including the interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groove View Post
    Yes, there is a large portion of the class that flunks out because they can't handle the work load and/or do not possess the capacity to excel. What...you wanted assurances that if the school accepts you for matriculation, you will successfully make it through? Think again. You do realize that the drop out rate for American medical school classes is around 16-20% right? What do you think that makes a Caribbean class full of students who couldn't make it into a US school?

    I can still remember some of the half *** students in my incoming class who were beach bums and throwing parties every other weekend. None of them were serious about becoming a physician. Luckily, first and second semester were almost impossible to make it through with that attitude. They disappeared rather quickly and hopefully did not incur an insurmountable debt in the process.

    Yes, medical school is expensive at SGU but it's not impossible to pay off. I owed 400K when I finished residency. I paid 100% off in 4.5 years including the interest.
    Do you want to go on the record and say that if all of the SGU students study hard that there is a third year clinical spot waiting for them? Are you suggesting that every year 50% of the students are conveniently failing out because 50% of every class are dummyes?

    What US medical school has a 16-20% attrition rate? Provide facts. Any school with that type of progress would get put on probation by the accrediting boards.

    You sound like a troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopefulmed95 View Post
    Do you want to go on the record and say that if all of the SGU students study hard that there is a third year clinical spot waiting for them? Are you suggesting that every year 50% of the students are conveniently failing out because 50% of every class are dummyes?

    What US medical school has a 16-20% attrition rate? Provide facts. Any school with that type of progress would get put on probation by the accrediting boards.

    You sound like a troll
    Actually, you sound like the troll after looking at your posts. It appears that you've been arguing with people on this forum and others since 2019 about why matriculating outside the US for medical school is a bad idea. You posted an almost identical post in the MUA forum over a year ago stating that you were considering Caribbean medical schools or DO schools. What are you still doing here? Make your mind up already.

    The fact that people drop out and/or flunk out of Caribbean medical school has never been a secret. It wasn't a surprise to me when I was there and certainly shouldn't be to anyone else. My point was not that the University selects a group of idiots. However, nothing can really prepare you for a medical school curriculum. It's not enough being smart. Once you're in school, you realize that everyone there is smart. Your willpower and determination to succeed sets you apart from those that lack the drive and stamina to become a physician. It's really as simple as that. I don't have anything to prove anymore other than SGU helped me get where I am today and for that I'll forever be grateful. Was it hard? You betcha. Worth it? Absolutely. You can ruminate over the theoretical drop out rate all you want but the massive graduation match list showing matched students in virtually every specialty is proof enough that if you want it bad enough...you can attain success there. Nobody said it was going to be guaranteed or easy.

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