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    For those going into their second year, or those who are starting in August, I'm curious how you feel about being at Saint George's given the difficulties that could come with matching in 2015 and beyond.

    For me, it seems like a risky proposition - the unknown of whether enough spots will be available and if I'll be able to get one of them. Part of me has this fear about being down there and then there being some rash decision during year 2 that only US-trained students are going to be able to match.

    Anyway, I'm not trying to stir the pot, but I'd like to get a sense of where others in the same boat are at with this. If you're a current student, are you paying any mind to the prospect of what could happen with residencies? For those going down in August, is this playing into your decision?

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    I'm starting in August and having lurked around SDN for a while earlier this year, I saw posts about the residency issues post 2015 and the frequent "cautioning" about attending a caribbean school by the ever so caring members there. I actually went so far as to see whether I could put in applications to gain acceptance to a masters program, but by the time I looked (late april - early May) the application cycles had pretty much closed. On top of that, I don't think I could force myself to do a year of seemingly meaningless work (just to improve my gpa) and then potentially not even start medical school until 2014, when I can start right now.

    I tried to find more information about it online to see if I could convince myself to have no qualms about attending, but I really couldn't find much. Maybe my detective skills are poor, but to me this was an indication that the residency issue may not be completely set in stone... or at least that all the details of it aren't finalized.

    In the end, I'll still be going in August. I was going to have to bust my *** anyway because of the residency I would like to match in to so I'm hoping doing so and then hopefully killing step 1 will offer me a solid shot at transferring after year 2. If not, since it's unlikely anyway, I just have to do my best and hope for the best afterwards.

    Whenever I read things about carib students having issues, I never really give it full attention though. There are many caribbean medical schools. Fortunately, we'll arguably be at the best one and our graduates tend to not be as phased come match time as those of other carib schools.

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    Agreed, especially re: SDN. Whenever I bring up the concept of going to the caribbean I am shot down by 15 people who are still doing pre-med somewhere.

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    Hey, pre-meds know everything. Just ask them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhdoctor View Post
    For those going into their second year, or those who are starting in August, I'm curious how you feel about being at Saint George's given the difficulties that could come with matching in 2015 and beyond.

    For me, it seems like a risky proposition - the unknown of whether enough spots will be available and if I'll be able to get one of them. Part of me has this fear about being down there and then there being some rash decision during year 2 that only US-trained students are going to be able to match.

    Anyway, I'm not trying to stir the pot, but I'd like to get a sense of where others in the same boat are at with this. If you're a current student, are you paying any mind to the prospect of what could happen with residencies? For those going down in August, is this playing into your decision?
    I'm going to enter the match in 2015, hopefully, and I terrified!

    As opposed to the other post above I still feel like an increase in 1 student that graduates from an America med school that will match is bad news. That's one less spot for IMGs. Having said that I just try not to think about it. You work hard in school, have fun and hope for the best. Other than that there isn't much we can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhdoctor View Post
    For those going into their second year, or those who are starting in August, I'm curious how you feel about being at Saint George's given the difficulties that could come with matching in 2015 and beyond. Part of me has this fear about being down there and then there being some rash decision during year 2 that only US-trained students are going to be able to match. If you're a current student, are you paying any mind to the prospect of what could happen with residencies?
    We all think about it. Like Frostling said, each US grad likely edges out another IMG. But it's also been said here that SGU is arguably the best Caribbean school. I'm proud of that and I enter each school day wholeheartedly believing that I will obtain a residency - partly because of SGU's reputation, and also partly because I need to feel that way in order to sit through the torturous amount of studying. With the urgent need for physicians it is unlikely that some "rash decision" will be made to prevent IMG's from matching. I may not score a residency in something I'd love, like Anesthesiology or EM or Surgery, but I'll damn well try. And if I end up in family medicine I could be happy.

    Which brings me to my next point - want2be: I'd strongly discourage being dead set on something like Radiology or Ortho or Plastics, which are competitive even for US grads. Or transferring. Have some flexibility. By all means, work your butt off for your dreams, give them everything you've got, but be smart and have a contingency plan. Becoming a physician at all is an amazing accomplishment regardless of whether or not you got your first choice.

    Do we really need to tell you to ignore pre-meds? It wasn't my dream to attend a Caribbean school but I worked very hard for a chance I never would've had anywhere else. I am very thankful for that. Many of us have done and seen things that would make pre-meds beg their guidance counselors to put them on a liberal arts track instead. Gather your own information, formulate your own opinions and make an informed decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Cooper View Post
    We all think about it. Like Frostling said, each US grad likely edges out another IMG. But it's also been said here that SGU is arguably the best Caribbean school. I'm proud of that and I enter each school day wholeheartedly believing that I will obtain a residency - partly because of SGU's reputation, and also partly because I need to feel that way in order to sit through the torturous amount of studying. With the urgent need for physicians it is unlikely that some "rash decision" will be made to prevent IMG's from matching. I may not score a residency in something I'd love, like Anesthesiology or EM or Surgery, but I'll damn well try. And if I end up in family medicine I could be happy.

    Which brings me to my next point - want2be: I'd strongly discourage being dead set on something like Radiology or Ortho or Plastics, which are competitive even for US grads. Or transferring. Have some flexibility. By all means, work your butt off for your dreams, give them everything you've got, but be smart and have a contingency plan. Becoming a physician at all is an amazing accomplishment regardless of whether or not you got your first choice.

    Do we really need to tell you to ignore pre-meds? It wasn't my dream to attend a Caribbean school but I worked very hard for a chance I never would've had anywhere else. I am very thankful for that. Many of us have done and seen things that would make pre-meds beg their guidance counselors to put them on a liberal arts track instead. Gather your own information, formulate your own opinions and make an informed decision.
    Fantastic advice. I especially appreciate your perspective/outlook on how best to move ahead. Seems like a healthy approach to adopt.

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    opps! double posted
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    It is never too early to become more politically aware and active. There are two significant problems: the physician shortage and the well-trained IMGs, particularly those who are US citizens or eligible non-citizens who have taken out federal loans for their training like most SGU grads, who will be effectively jobless and will be defaulting on their loans in one way or another. Both of these issues are stuck in the bottleneck that is the cap on residency spots imposed by congress.

    Write, call, email, fax, text your congressmen/women and tell them that these issue matter to you. Get your family, friends, acquaintances, grandma's bridge club ladies and mom's book club friends to do it too.

    Physicians have the absolute lowest political acumen to intelligence ratio of any group in the United States. To put it bluntly, physicians have the political wherewithal and organization of Thanksgiving turkeys. We can change that, we are the next generation. Get involved!
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    I forgot to mention that the additional number of AMGs is still not enough to meet the needs of the US population, so the problem should not be framed as "each added AMG is squeezing out an IMG" but we should instead focus on the fact that we simply need more residency spots, because we still need a significantly greater number of doctors than LCME schools are going to be pumping out.
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