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    I'll be starting term 1 in aug'09. I understand that this topic has been beaten to death, and believe me..I have done countless searches but I still unable to find an answer to my question.
    As canadians we are required to obtain either an h1b visa or a j1 visa in order to land a residency in U.S. Because i'll be starting in august, i understand that i would have to match a year later if I opt for an h1b visa..I can, however, immediately start residency if i went along with the j1 visa. However, with the j1 visa..I am required to return to Canada for 2 years.
    For h1b..what do students normally do during the year before they can match?
    for students who go along with the j1 visa, what do they do during the 2 years in Canada?
    my question is not necessarily as to which is better..but, mostly..what do most canadian students normally end up doing during this timeline of 1 or 2 years..

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    H1B --> most students do research and then apply for more competitive residencies with that experience behind them (if the usmle scores are right ofcourse)
    J1 --> most students would try to get a waiver so that they don't have to return to canada, i wud assume if thats not possible then students wud try to work in ontario where the USMLE exams are accepted as an equivalent to canadian boards (but the rule is that your american residency length shud be equivalent if not more than canadian residency length [i.e. internal med in the states i think is 4 years and in canada is like 5 (don't take my word on this, its just an example), so you would have to continue training for an additional year in canada or something], some people will live on the border, like windsor or niagara falls and work in the states because there is no prohibition against working in the states just against living in the states (you would use a TN visa for this). Those are the options i'm aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cup.Cakes View Post
    I'll be starting term 1 in aug'09. Because i'll be starting in august, i understand that i would have to match a year later if I opt for an h1b visa...
    Ok....I am still confused about this! Why would we have to wait 1 year?! I made a rough timline for myself and it seems quite OK to make it for the March residency in 2013! And make the April Graduation.

    Term Ranges

    Term 1 17 weeks (08/17 - 12/15)

    Term 2 18 weeks (01/11 - 05/18) 2010

    Term 3 6 weeks (06/18 - 08/18) 2010

    Term 4 18 weeks (08/10 - 12/18) 2010

    Term 5 6 weeks (01/10 - 02/18) 2011

    Register for STEP I

    Term 6 12 weeks (02/21 - 05/18) 2011

    VACATION 1-2 weeks

    STEP I: July/August
    Term 7 18 weeks (08/29 - 12/30) 2011 Begin early?

    Term 8 16 weeks (01/02 - 04/13) 2012


    Term 9 16 weeks (04/16- 08/03) 2012

    NMBE Match registration opens
    Term 10 16 weeks (08/06 - 11/16) 2012

    STEP II August or September

    Term 11 16 weeks (11/19 - 03/08) 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWB View Post
    H1B --> most students do research and then apply for more competitive residencies with that experience behind them (if the usmle scores are right ofcourse)
    J1 --> most students would try to get a waiver so that they don't have to return to canada, i wud assume if thats not possible then students wud try to work in ontario where the USMLE exams are accepted as an equivalent to canadian boards (but the rule is that your american residency length shud be equivalent if not more than canadian residency length [i.e. internal med in the states i think is 4 years and in canada is like 5 (don't take my word on this, its just an example), so you would have to continue training for an additional year in canada or something], some people will live on the border, like windsor or niagara falls and work in the states because there is no prohibition against working in the states just against living in the states (you would use a TN visa for this). Those are the options i'm aware of.

    internal med in the states is 3 years and 4 canada
    still need J1 or h1b if living in Canada and doing residency in US ie. windsor. TN visa is not possible.

    to o.p. do a search. This was talked about

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    What you are missing in there is that for an H1B you have to write your step IIIs, which means you wouldnt be able to match because where it says term 11, towards the end of tha term 11 in ur timeline is where step IIIs go (approximately). What ends up happening is that you don't have the step III scores in time for the matches, therefore no H1B visa. I know u'll hate me for saying this, but do a search theres a tonne of posts about this, i ended up spending about 3-5 hours reading up on visa issues before i decided to attend. There are posts not only on the sgu forum, but also ross, and other IMG forums under valuemd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWB View Post
    What you are missing in there is that for an H1B you have to write your step IIIs, which means you wouldnt be able to match because where it says term 11, towards the end of tha term 11 in ur timeline is where step IIIs go (approximately). What ends up happening is that you don't have the step III scores in time for the matches, therefore no H1B visa. I know u'll hate me for saying this, but do a search theres a tonne of posts about this, i ended up spending about 3-5 hours reading up on visa issues before i decided to attend. There are posts not only on the sgu forum, but also ross, and other IMG forums under valuemd.
    Awesome! FINALLY a straight cut answer!I wouldn't mind the wait or the 2 years back in Canada....I did search and tried talking about it before but I never got a clear answer like this and was always left wondering and confused....THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! Rep point
    MS I/II [x]
    Step 1 [x]
    MS III/IV [x]/[]
    Step 2 CS/CK - [x] / [x]
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    Quote Originally Posted by CANeh View Post
    internal med in the states is 3 years and 4 canada
    still need J1 or h1b if living in Canada and doing residency in US ie. windsor. TN visa is not possible.

    to o.p. do a search. This was talked about

    Sorry that wasn't the intention of what i said, so i must clarify. What i meant to say is that after u finish ur residency with a j1 you have to go home for 2 years. Anyways, when you go home for those 2 years, i've heard that u can live in a border town and work at an american hospital under a TN and then later apply for a H1B through your hospital (after the 2 years are complete).

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    what courses are taught in the little 6 weeks Term 5 ? Would it be possibe to take Step 1then? Jan - Feb 2011? Both Steps II May-June-July 2012?! and Step III Jan - feb 2013, right in Term 11?! I might be ''dreaming in colors'' I know ... but I am trying out different combinations
    MS I/II [x]
    Step 1 [x]
    MS III/IV [x]/[]
    Step 2 CS/CK - [x] / [x]
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    Haha... i mean if u've done med school before sure, you can afford to ignore coursework that you learn in term 5 and 6... or if ur a genious child and i won't lie we do have some serious genious children on campus [plz don't start a storm about them belonging in american med schools, plz, its just annoying and useless, this posting is a canadian talking to a canadian about being a canadian FIMG (not to o.op. but to general public reading this)], and learn all of that stuff from term 5 and 6 on your own...and somehow also have time to get fully prepped for the USMLE which most students study for for almost all of term 5 and 6 and then again a 1.5 month crash course... if you can do all that... then yup you could fly back to canada or the states and write ur step Is... now whether you would be able to start rotations early because you finished ur step 1s early-- some other godly forum surfer will have to tell you... but my general impression is that your idea is not possible....

    if u want to pick my brain about other cdn issues, shoot, i'm leaving in about 15 minutes to go to a baseball game...

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    LOOOL..... mmmffff.... .... fine, I guess I am trying to bend space and time here Are you still on the island? I will definintely pick your brain about stuff... I AM SURE some others will come. I guess that year off then is not that bad, you can study for STEP III, finish the Canadian board exams (if Canadian matching didn`t happen) etc....
    PS: glad my post was at least entertaining
    Quote Originally Posted by DWB View Post
    Haha... i mean if u've done med school before sure, you can afford to ignore coursework that you learn in term 5 and 6... or if ur a genious child and i won't lie we do have some serious genious children on campus [plz don't start a storm about them belonging in american med schools, plz, its just annoying and useless, this posting is a canadian talking to a canadian about being a canadian FIMG (not to o.op. but to general public reading this)], and learn all of that stuff from term 5 and 6 on your own...and somehow also have time to get fully prepped for the USMLE which most students study for for almost all of term 5 and 6 and then again a 1.5 month crash course... if you can do all that... then yup you could fly back to canada or the states and write ur step Is... now whether you would be able to start rotations early because you finished ur step 1s early-- some other godly forum surfer will have to tell you... but my general impression is that your idea is not possible....

    if u want to pick my brain about other cdn issues, shoot, i'm leaving in about 15 minutes to go to a baseball game...
    MS I/II [x]
    Step 1 [x]
    MS III/IV [x]/[]
    Step 2 CS/CK - [x] / [x]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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