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    Role GPA has on residency placement

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    Hey guys,

    I am a current 3rd year student at SGU and I have a burning question. During the basic sciences, I averaged C's in most of my classes but I did step it up and managed to score a 245 on my step 1. I want to apply to surgical residencies but I am worried that my basic science GPA will hinder my chances. I was just wondering if gpa does really have a significant role in the selection process. any comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated

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    I've always heard that basic science grades are not that important. How are your clinical grades? Also I think it's important to get some good LoRs as I understand during your rotations. Hopefully, someone will be able to provide better feedback to your question as I'm interested to know this too.

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    Clinical grades are important as are your clinical evaluations. Don't worry so much about the basic science grades. Great step 1 score. Surgery should be very attainable.
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    Great score!!!

    Your basic science grades are not as important as your clinicals, by far, so make sure you do what it takes to get an A in every clinical rotation and you will probably be just fine. You will need great clinical grades for categorical surgery. Secondly, you mentioned that you averaged Cs in most classes - does that mean you failed some? That will definitely be a negative in your application and you should be prepared to explain what the problem is and how you are overcoming it. Also, it emphasizes your need to be a rockstar from here on out to have a solid chance at a competetive residency. Thirdly, as pointed out above, work hard at getting fantastic LOR - it really can make or break your application.

    Good luck!

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    a bad gpa .will hurt you...a good one will probably not help you so much...
    while the score is great...you clinical grades will make a difference too...make sure you get "A"s in them...one it will raise you gpa alot, but since you are thinkin gen surg there are plenty of people out there with a 245 AND great basic and clinical grades...why would they pick you? Do away electives in your 4th year in surgical rotations that have residency programs there and work your butt off! Get LoRs from well know and recognized people in surgery (Dr. C at barnabas comes to mind...top 100 doc in the US)..those things will help you overcome those "C"s...
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    Agree with the above posters - basic science grades may not carry too much weight, but be prepared to talk about them.

    "So you did well on a test that covers basic science material, but performed poorly in your basic science courses....Are we to assume you are lazy, unprofessional, or that you just didn't care?"

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    If your clinical grades suck, and steps are awesome... they are going to simply assume (rightly so?) that you obviously have the capacity and ability but severely lack any sort of reliable or consistent work ethic. PD's generally don't want to take on lazy residents, no matter how smart you are.
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    I've heard clinical grades are subjective. Some hospitals "giving away" easy As..etc. while at others you can work your butt off and still not get As

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    That was a topic at the clinical meetings in 2008 when I went there as an SGA representative. The process is already standardized, but they are working on making it more streamline it appears. Any new SGA-C representatives on Value-MD could comment further?
    There are five specific criteria in which you have to excel to get an A including clinical knowledge and skills, the oral and written examinations, professionalism etc...(the exact criteria are escaping my brain right now).
    Remember, as Grenada is, clinicals are also whatever you make of them. Attendings and residents are quick to pick up on who is interested and who isn't...
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    Clinical grades? Important. Basic science grade? Only if there's something to point and laugh at.
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