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    In 1st/2nd term? Learn Immuno well!

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    I'm not sure how far into Immuno 2nd termers currently are, but having just done 3 weeks of Micro and 2 weeks of Path, it's come back A LOT!!

    I don't know how much more it will for the rest of the term but I've also heard from my friends in St. Vincent right now (and I'm sure rokshana, Seagoddess, EMT, etc. can shed some more light on this) that it's showing up for them a lot as well.

    Immuno's a pain. It just seems like a random mish-mash of the alphabet and numbers and despite the prof at SGU being a very nice lady, I think most will agree that the class is horribly taught. But I think you would serve yourselves well to try and learn it and not just cram it into short-term memory*. At the very least, learn about cytokines and selectins.

    *That's basically what I did in 2nd term, but thankfully I forced myself over Christmas break (as difficult as it was) to try and learn it better.

    Just thought I'd share that. Others can feel free to chip in with their opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saora1
    I'm not sure how far into Immuno 2nd termers currently are, but having just done 3 weeks of Micro and 2 weeks of Path, it's come back A LOT!!

    I don't know how much more it will for the rest of the term but I've also heard from my friends in St. Vincent right now (and I'm sure rokshana, Seagoddess, EMT, etc. can shed some more light on this) that it's showing up for them a lot as well.

    Immuno's a pain. It just seems like a random mish-mash of the alphabet and numbers and despite the prof at SGU being a very nice lady, I think most will agree that the class is horribly taught. But I think you would serve yourselves well to try and learn it and not just cram it into short-term memory*. At the very least, learn about cytokines and selectins.

    *That's basically what I did in 2nd term, but thankfully I forced myself over Christmas break (as difficult as it was) to try and learn it better.

    Just thought I'd share that. Others can feel free to chip in with their opinion.

    Oh YEAH! and how!!! Even for Step I study - its all over the place!!! And unfortunately, you're right- the Immuno prof, while nice as she can be- is a HORRIBLE lecturer and I would suggest NOT going to class(one of the few where I felt dumber coming out of class than when i went in!!), but for the exams - know her book COLD!!!! The book is pretty decently written and the exams are straight out of it!! ( I literally read the chapters out loud at the starbucks i studied at for the final and saved myself from failing!!- drove my study partners crazy!!)She takes almost all her pix in lecture(you know the big white boxes in your lecture notes?) from Janeway's Immunobiology which BTW is a great Immuno book if you know nothing about immunology, so I would say get those two books for immuno.
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    Yup, it does come back in SVG as well. There will even be 5 random immuno questions on the first PathoPhys exam that were mentioned nowhere in the notes, just to keep you on your toes. Probably more on the second exam... We'll see in a couple of weeks.

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    Immuno Is Important

    The reason it keeps coming up in successive semesters is because Immuno is an important Step 1/2 topic. That's when it really counts.

    Not everyone feels the class was "horribly taught." If you put in the effort and keep an open mind you can master the body of knowledge that is taught in 2nd semester. It feels good to know something backward and forward and get all the questions right forever more. Don't psych yourself out of a good learning experience by strong opinions that are just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOk
    Not everyone feels the class was "horribly taught."
    Which is why I said "most will agree".

    I certainly do and most people I know do as well. But yes, I know some people who liked Dr. S as a lecturer. They are in a very small minority though.

    It all depends on the individual. The reverse situation is that most people thought that Dr. N from Physio was a great lecturer (myself included again) but I know a couple people who didn't much care for him.

    My point in writing this was not about the prof or the class at SGU but rather the importance of Immuno for later on. I agree stongly with your point that you should keep an open mind however.

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    Well it varies from person to person, myself and many of my friends really liked Immuno and the way it was taught. I learnt a lot, and felt like I really understood the concepts. It does vary from person to person, I would say that half of the class agreed that she was ok, most people dont think she is great, but lets admitt it for once, she is not a horrible teacher, she is at least ok, and she is fair, common guys
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    You Seem Like a Fair Person

    Quote Originally Posted by envivany1
    Well it varies from person to person, myself and many of my friends really liked Immuno and the way it was taught. I learnt a lot, and felt like I really understood the concepts. It does vary from person to person, I would say that half of the class agreed that she was ok, most people dont think she is great, but lets admitt it for once, she is not a horrible teacher, she is at least ok, and she is fair, common guys
    Me too. The discussions about immuno on this forum are the same. A frequent, outspoken poster makes a blanket criticism of the course then pretends to represent the majority opinion (how could they possibly know? shouldn't they be studying instead of surveying 300 people?) I do not know how the typical medical student could know more than a seasoned professional. Not liking or relating to the style of teaching is different than being intrinsically incompetent. No professors at SGU are in this latter category. So all that's left is a dislike of the style, and I say to that, tough. When I didn't like the style I had to work harder to learn the material because its all important. Steps 1 and 2 demand that you know everything.
    It is nice to hear that someone else liked the course, but in the end, the job is the same even if you really can't stand it.

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    I didn't pretend anything. I did not say that everyone said that she's a horrible lecturer. I said that that I think most will agree that she is. Maybe semantics, but one is a statement of fact and the other is opinion.

    While I certainly didn't survey 300 people and obviously don't speak for everyone, I'm basing my opinion on the many people I've spoken with (most getting As or high ** in the course) who share the opinion I have.

    I dislike her style of teaching but the book was good and so I chose to not go to lecture (went to about 8 and then gave up) and studied on my own instead.

    And nowhere, sir, did I say she was incompetent or even allude to that fact. Nor did I claim (or anyone else in all the discussions of Immuno I've ever seen on this board) to know more than a PhD who has written several books. But knowing your field and conveying it to others are two different things and despite it being "tough", I still contend that while she's a very nice woman and has good intentions, she is not a good lecturer.

    And obviously we all have to learn the material despite not liking how it's taught. We just have a choice in how we decide to do so.

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    oh Gosh immuno

    Immuno is a really good subject but I have a very good background in it. I took the equivalent of the med school immuno course in undergrad and I did immuno DES twice. Because I have such a good background I can say that she is a horrible teacher with some degree of authority. I went to class for only a few lectures in the beginning. Even having an extremely good understanding of the material she confused at times and I realized early on she simply did not know how to explain. It seems almost impossible that someone that wrote a book as good as hers can't teach. My suggestion to 2nd termers is to do really well on the midterm. The final is really hard.

    But yes a good understanding of immuno is essential. The first exam for 4th term has a lot of immuno. The exams in Vinies also do. And so does step 1 and pretty hard questions!

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    Well, evidently more than one of us saw oursleves in AOk's post- so be it!!LOL
    and I'll admit I didn't like her teaching methods- I think she knows her material, but like it was said before just because you are knowledgable in a field doesn't make you a good teacher - some people just can't teach. And since I spent five years of my life teaching anatomy and physiology at the college level i think i know difference between a good teacher and a bad one. Come on there are plenty of people who are absolutely BRILLIANT in their field and can't get it across to their students- we've all seen that in undergrad and grad school.
    Also don't underestimate the knowledge base of some med students - there are many who are Ph.Ds, who have taught med school, and who, sometimes, knows the info better than those who are teaching it.
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