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    Foundation Year 1 Programme in Cyprus

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    We would like to share some exciting news: The Medical School, in close cooperation with St George’s, University of London and the South Thames Foundation School, is working to establish a UK-validated Foundation Year 1 programme here in Cyprus as of August 2017. This will provide our graduates an opportunity to apply for full registration with a licence to practise with the UK General Medical Council (GMC) even if they are unable to secure a visa to undertake F1 in the UK.

    It is important to note that our proposal has not yet been formally accepted by the GMC, which will review the programme starting in mid-May. The GMC aims to provide its feedback to the Medical School on the viability of the F1 programme in Cyprus in mid-June. We will provide an update on progress once we hear from the GMC.

    The F1 Programme in Cyprus is intended to support graduates whose ability to gain registration in their home country will be affected by not being eligible for full registration with the GMC. Priority will also be given to graduates who were affected by the unexpected difficulties faced by some students applying to Foundation posts in the UK and Malta this year.

    As provisionally registered doctors, graduates will be able to practise in Cyprus only under close supervision. At this point, they will not be paid as a Foundation Year doctor as this will annul any student visa status required to remain in Cyprus; this also means graduates will have to register as a postgraduate student in order to obtain a visa. Since trainee F1 doctors are not going to be employed, but are strictly speaking postgraduate students, the ability to carry out tasks unsupervised will be limited, so the level of supervision may be higher than in the UK. In all other respects, however, the proposed training programme will be very similar to that in the UK, and in many respects mirror it.

    It is impossible to work as trainee doctors without a working knowledge of the Greek language. All future students interested in joining the F1 Programme in Cyprus after graduation will be expected to have started learning Greek earlier in the MBBS-4 programme. The Medical School will provide free Greek language classes to those students.

    Successful completion of the F1 Programme in Cyprus means that the trainee doctors are eligible to apply to the GMC for full registration with a licence to practise. Depending on their career preferences, they can then:

    - Apply for Foundation Year 2 posts in the UK, which under current immigration regulations would require a Tier 2 visa sponsored by an NHS Hospital or Trust; or

    - Apply for registration in other EU countries under EU Directive 2005/36/EC, which provides mutual recognition of professional qualifications (with the caveat that the UK’s exit from the EU may affect these arrangements); or

    - Apply for registration in their home country.
    St George's, University of London medical programme
    Delivered in Cyprus by the University of Nicosia Medical School

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    So I've been researching the pathway from non-EU/UK citizen (from outside the Tier 5 eligible countries) in the Cyprus F1 to an F2 in the U.K., since I'm one of those desperately unemployed graduates and I had some observations/ questions.

    So... most F2 positions are coupled to F1 positions, but a couple hundred open up each year because U.K. F1s inevitably fail to progress. The F2 spots are then filled in 2 rounds with the first round being only for people with a pre-existing right to work (Europeans) the second round gives another opportunity for those who didn't get a spot the first time as well as non-EU/UK doctors who need tier 2 visas. A person can only get a Tier 2 visa however if they can get an F2 first, and they only get that F2 if there are spots still empty which the foundation schools can prove that no qualified person who already has the right to work is available to take that position. That seems to be pretty slim prospects for those seeking visas based on the high barrier to actually finding a job in the first place, but there are no real statistics on who comes from where to work as F2s.

    While "Full registration" in the U.K. Sounds fancy, it still sounds like you're just going to run straight into the same visa wall that keeps people out of the U.K. F1, so how does F1 in Cyprus help anybody further their career goals if no additional (and realistic) options exist after F1? In fact it seems even more difficult, because basically anyone in the world who has as least an intern year can apply for full registration, and their chief point of entry into the U.K. System are those free-floating F2 spots.

    The F1 program in Cyprus is being managed by the South Thames foundation school, so is there going to be a direct channel from F1 in Cyprus to F2 in the U.K. through that foundation school, or is the F1 in Cyprus just another opportunity to roll the dice and see if you can beat the immigration system with a slightly higher degree of qualification in spite of a smaller pool of available jobs and a larger pool of qualified applicants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightorflight View Post
    So I've been researching the pathway from non-EU/UK citizen (from outside the Tier 5 eligible countries) in the Cyprus F1 to an F2 in the U.K., since I'm one of those desperately unemployed graduates and I had some observations/ questions.

    So... most F2 positions are coupled to F1 positions, but a couple hundred open up each year because U.K. F1s inevitably fail to progress. The F2 spots are then filled in 2 rounds with the first round being only for people with a pre-existing right to work (Europeans) the second round gives another opportunity for those who didn't get a spot the first time as well as non-EU/UK doctors who need tier 2 visas. A person can only get a Tier 2 visa however if they can get an F2 first, and they only get that F2 if there are spots still empty which the foundation schools can prove that no qualified person who already has the right to work is available to take that position. That seems to be pretty slim prospects for those seeking visas based on the high barrier to actually finding a job in the first place, but there are no real statistics on who comes from where to work as F2s.

    While "Full registration" in the U.K. Sounds fancy, it still sounds like you're just going to run straight into the same visa wall that keeps people out of the U.K. F1, so how does F1 in Cyprus help anybody further their career goals if no additional (and realistic) options exist after F1? In fact it seems even more difficult, because basically anyone in the world who has as least an intern year can apply for full registration, and their chief point of entry into the U.K. System are those free-floating F2 spots.

    The F1 program in Cyprus is being managed by the South Thames foundation school, so is there going to be a direct channel from F1 in Cyprus to F2 in the U.K. through that foundation school, or is the F1 in Cyprus just another opportunity to roll the dice and see if you can beat the immigration system with a slightly higher degree of qualification in spite of a smaller pool of available jobs and a larger pool of qualified applicants?
    Thanks for your post regarding pathways for graduates.

    You are correct that many F2 positions are coupled with F1 positions. The limited number of standalone posts that are available each year are not simply because of F1s failing to progress, however, as there are additional posts at F2 level. Indeed, from our first cohort, we had a graduate who followed this route into F2, having completed their F1 abroad.

    As for facing the same visa issues, please note that Tier 2 visa requirements are different from those for Tier 5 as they are based on employment.

    Our development of an F1 programme in Cyprus is not to provide an alternative route into the UK system for third-country nationals (i.e., non-UK/EEA). The normal route to registration for graduates remains to return to their home country. F1 in Cyprus will provide an alternative to those graduates who do not wish to return to their home country at this point. This is also important for those who will benefit from full registration with the GMC in order to progress through the training system in their home country, and who may not be able to secure a visa to the UK for F1 under prevailing immigration regulations.

    Finally, regarding your question about F2 posts through the South Thames Foundation School, there are no plans for that to be the case. Those wishing to apply for F2 posts will follow the procedures as set out by the national guidance framework for these (available on the UKFPO website).

    We will of course be happy to discuss potential routes with you directly – just contact the Careers Advisor.
    St George's, University of London medical programme
    Delivered in Cyprus by the University of Nicosia Medical School

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    This is indeed something to worry about. I'm just wondering if the school is planning to establish a FY2 programme in Cyprus as well. That would literally solve the problem, or is it technically impossible to be approved by the GMC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth_seeker001 View Post
    This is indeed something to worry about. I'm just wondering if the school is planning to establish a FY2 programme in Cyprus as well. That would literally solve the problem, or is it technically impossible to be approved by the GMC?
    We may consider the possibility of offering F2 in Cyprus as well in the future, but our immediate priority is the successful implementation of the F1 programme starting this September.
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    As a perspective student who has received an offer, I am curious to what career path do I have after this F1 programme in Cyprus? Will we be granted the certificate of completion for internship as we worked as a postgraduate student with no pay? If we are to persue any MD in the UK in order to achieve registration that this degree could not achieve for us, we will need certificate of completion of internship AND registration with Cyprus. So why couldn't we register with Cyprus medical board/council and why can we only work under student visa in Cyprus? Is the school going to solve the workinh visa problem for the Cyprus F1 programme for the prospective students? Apologies for flooding you with questions, but to be honest this is my last resort of offer to study medicine so I am desperate to find out is there any career path I can follow after I graduate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFL View Post
    As a perspective student who has received an offer, I am curious to what career path do I have after this F1 programme in Cyprus? Will we be granted the certificate of completion for internship as we worked as a postgraduate student with no pay? If we are to persue any MD in the UK in order to achieve registration that this degree could not achieve for us, we will need certificate of completion of internship AND registration with Cyprus. So why couldn't we register with Cyprus medical board/council and why can we only work under student visa in Cyprus? Is the school going to solve the workinh visa problem for the Cyprus F1 programme for the prospective students? Apologies for flooding you with questions, but to be honest this is my last resort of offer to study medicine so I am desperate to find out is there any career path I can follow after I graduate.
    Since you refer to the F1 in Cyprus, we assume you are considering enrolling in the MBBS programme. This is the first year that the Postgraduate Clinical Training Programme (PgCTP) has been delivered, and the trainees, on successful completion of the 12-month programme, will be eligible to apply to the UK General Medical Council for full registration. (Note that applications to the UK GMC are subject to providing evidence of the right to work.)

    Regarding your question about registration with the Cyprus Medical Council, and in line with the EU directive on the recognition of professions, trainees are not eligible for full registration with the CMC during their PgCTP year.

    One-on-one meetings are scheduled immediately following orientation so new students can review all possible career pathways. It is very difficult to give an accurate indication of what you are able to do or not at this stage with the limited information supplied. Currently, all MBBS students, if they so wish, are able to apply to the UK Foundation Programme for foundation training.

    If you send us a PM with your name and email, we can discuss your individual case further outside this forum.
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