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    On the other side of the fence…

    While some of the issues being mentioned by current students here are still awaiting final judgment (maintaining California approval, how our students will match in the US and Canada / how programs directors view our alumni versus alumni of other international medical schools), I feel there are misconceptions I can address with a high degree of certainty: the quality of clinical education at Ponce and how to compare SGUL-Nicosia with other schools.

    Quality of clinical education at Ponce – First, honestly I am having trouble understanding how an LCME accredited medical school with ACGME accredited residency programs, and therefore “green” clinical rotations, in all core subjects, could be considered something other than the perfect addition to our clinical placements, is beyond me. I suppose anyone who can’t grasp that Puerto Rico is part of the US might have difficulty here. Might I suggest anyone who doubts this quality simply find out what LCME and ACGME mean? Second, I spent a few days meeting pre-med students at the AMSA conference in DC a week ago. And you know where a large group of these students were from? Puerto Rico. And you know what their reaction was when I mentioned our clinical placement with Ponce? Completely positive. In fact a few of them mentioned Ponce as their number one choice when applying to medical school.

    Comparing SGUL-Nicosia with X, Y and Z medical schools – Without getting too far into the weeds , as I have in the past, of comparing other large, well-known international schools to our program, I feel any assumption that coming to Cyprus is somehow riskier to one’s professional prospects upon graduation is specious at best. There is no good way to compare SGUL with schools with 1/10th the experience in medical education. I have freely and publically admitted that we have never had a ‘well-worn path’ of graduates coming from North America and returning which would result in USMLE and match statistics. This and the lack of access to Title IV loans are the only drawbacks I see for North American students.

    When administrative turmoil occurs in any organization, particularly where channels of communication need to be improved, I understand how some individuals will have valid concerns. But to claim that anyone at SGUL-Nicosia lies to incoming students is beyond specious. The information we give to prospective students and applicants is always, if sometimes temporarily, true. For example, I and my colleagues have been telling applicants that they could complete their final two years with us in a combination of clinical placements i.e. one year in Israel or Cyprus and one year in the US. Only in the last month or so has that changed once it was determined that our clinical placements do not offer the medical specialties in identical order. Thus a student shifting from one site to another between their P (third) and F (fourth) years, would not receive the same standard of education. When possible I have clarified my claim, which was true at the time I made it, to applicants and incoming students who expressed the specific desire to spend their P and f years in different locations.

    In life, the grass indeed may seem greener on the other side of the fence. Sometimes it may indeed be greener. For our students complaining about adding Ponce as a clinical placement, please take some time to better learn how green your grass is. And for that matter how the green appearance of other medical schools’ ‘grass’, is not as green as you think.

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    no one expected a well worn path. all we've asked for is a little bit of honesty and consistency. false promises were made, and our life plans have been completely thrown to pooh pooh because you told all of us North Americans that we would have no problem in getting a spot in Chicago. Up until we were told our of the blue that only 24 spots were available, we were told that there would be 50 spots which is enough for the North Americans. LIES LIES LIES.

    my student experience has been nothing but living in fear for yet another thing to go wrong.

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    PS TIPTON

    BEFORE YOU SAY PONCE COUNTS AS A NORTH AMERICAN CLINICAL SITE youtube "ponce puerto rico" and tell me that looks like America. Technicalities technicalities.

    Students and residency directors evaluate clinical sites based on 1) the quality of education 2 ) the language spoken 3) the surrounding culture 4) access to resources and 5) quality of medical services provided (do you know how many post op infections, medical errors, and unhygienic procedures happen there? its practically third world. even the puerto ricans are fleeing it and going to mainland US to live and for healthcare)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesgul2015 View Post
    (do you know how many post op infections, medical errors, and unhygienic procedures happen there? its practically third world. even the puerto ricans are fleeing it and going to mainland US to live and for healthcare)
    What are you even talking about? Puerto Rico is FAR from third world and that you would even try to compare it is insulting. Please show me the evidence that Puerto Rico hospitals are so much worse than EVERY SINGLE hospital in the mainland. Gimme a break.
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