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    IknowitALl is offline Member
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    "You want the truth...you can't handle the truth"....(Jack Nicholson addressing the doubters)

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    Hey mates,
    I am being bombarded with emails from students currently at St Chris asking me to post some information. They have given me permission to release the following....here it goes....

    Found out officially that there are only 3 STATES you can do clinicals in. These m************ finally let the "cat out of the bag". Got it in an email sent to the entire class from the class rep aka futurphysician. I don't know if the a place to exchange gas intended to make this revelation, but he did. There is a copy of the email in the body of the text below

    Thanks to all of you who came to the Dean's meeting...sans actual Dean. I think those of you in attendance hopefully got something out of it that may have calmed some nerves. It seems that once every semester the sky is falling and somehow it still remains 5 miles up. So for the short version of what occurred I will give you a brief synopsis.

    1) Dr. Mo**te left for "personal reasons". My opinion, and MY OPINION ONLY, is that some handling of the transition from Dr. Mo**te to Dr. Po***er has been handled not very smoothly. I also believe some egos are involved. Again, its just my opinion based on all the information I gather. I think that overall the hiring is a very good thing. I think the forward progress he'll bring to the position will be good long term. Bottom line: let this work itself out. Dr. H**e is going to do a fine job. Support him and just learn the material. Thoracic is not massively involved like the Lower Limb or Head and Neck, so just work hard.

    2) Which brings us to Dr. Ch***an. Again, just my opinion and reasonable people may defer, but I think some lack of deference may have placed him in a tough position. It is no secret that Dr. Mo**te did NOT want the Dean's position to begin with and I think some of the responsibilities Dr. Ch***an took up for him are suddenly being taken away de facto. I think he is a brilliant man and a great teacher. I know that anytime someone needed to bend his ear he was available. I believe that if Dr. Le**e will make him happy with providing the autonomy he wants and needs then the issue will be resolved. As a class I know we are concerned that one of the best assets we have may leave. I am hoping that this will not happen. Whenever there is a question that arises about a clinical or residency situation he had an answer. That alone, yielded a lot of confidence in what we are doing and where we are heading. Dr. Ch***an, as well, has a vision for better teaching and clinical evaluations in later semesters and everyone wants that to happen. I think that that will happen overall, but the real issue is direction and approach. Change is always met with some trepidation. I can understand some people being upset over the prospect of Dr. Ch***an leaving and I agree. However, he is not gone and while there is still avenues of approach, please email Dr. L***e [pl***[email protected]] to express your support for him. I am, as I said, hopeful.

    3) The school is not on shakey financial ground. Please put that rumor to rest. That same rumor hit Ross University two weeks before it was bought out by Devry....for $300,000,000. Rumors are rumors, but this one is completely unfounded.

    4) The NJ issue was re-adressed. The bill was signed into law by Gov. McGreavey, but has not been delivered to the NJ Dept. of State. So the application is supposed to be officially in on Dec. 12. A notice of approval will follow posted on the main board in the school. NY and Fla (please get it done) will follow. Expect either to get done in the next 16 months. If you want those for clinicals, again the next thing to do is email Dr. L***e. Clinical centers remain Atlanta, Louisiana, and Chicago, with Denver also being on that list now.

    5) Upstairs issue was also revisited and as usual the Council seems to continue to drag their feet. I have no idea the whole perspective on this, but I will tell you that in private meetings concerning this the administration and Dr. L***e have expressed considerable angst about the dealings with the Luton Borough. I can understand that since it took so long for me just to get a window replaced here. Those of you who choose to believe otherwise are free to do so. I can see your point as to whether or not they are telling the truth, however, I have no reason to not believe Dr. G**y. He has been honest and forthcoming with us. We aren't in Kansas anymore.

    6) I hope this has been informative. I know some of you are upset and anxious. I know I have been as well, but I feel a little less so after todays meeting. So some of you who are nervous and scared, put away the transfer applications and knives and walk away from the edge. Like I said before and say always, we are in this together. If you are genuinely not happy and just can't take it, well...good luck and so long. Nothing should keep you where you are not happy and satisfied. This is a school in serious transition. I think the future is bright and when we get to Path we'll all be thankful of what we have gone thru together. I think the situation is heightened by the timing of it all and that has a dramatic effect on our emotions. Let's be passionate about what we all want and deserve, but lets not be irrational. These things have a habit of working themselves out, usually for the good.

    See you all tomorrow....Matt, I said step away from the edge.

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    hmm

    totally forgot jack was in that movie...
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    Your information is not accurate

    I personally know two students attending St. Christopher's. They are in the clinical phase of the program. They have already rotated in hospitals located in more than three states... They have been in New York, Maryland, Louisianna, Connecticut, and Illinois to name a few... So, I am not certain where people are getting the "misinformation" that St. chris can only do rotations in 3 states! It would be most prudent if people refrainfrom "comment" unless they have actual facts. Does St. Chris provide prospective students and basic science students with student contacts in the clinical phase? This would provide people with an avenue to get direct factual answers regarding school specific clinical experiences and locations. This website has the potential to serve as an excellent venue for students to learn about various medical schools and the pros and cons of the different programs. However, it can also serve as a vicious rumor mill... as evidenced by the the "shakey finacial ground rumor"... Not only has that one hit St. Christopher's and Ross... it has also surfaced pertaining to IUHS and AUC. All it takes is one posting with information that is not completely accurate and suddenly... POOF! The misinofrmation spirals out of control and takes on a life of its own. I was able to definitively confirm the states that I mentioned above with two St. Christopher's students I know...they will be graduating this spring. I hope this might prove helpful to you. Best of luck in your endevors..

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    Hey MUA President, nice to see you again

    I would appreciate next time at least warning me about laying out my emails, that way I can throw a party. I think I said at least three times, those were my opinions. Obviously, you don't teach reading comprehension at MUA. We can send down someone to help with that.

    Second, what does my email have to do with how many states we can do clinicals in? Nothing. You are a liar and you provided NO proof. No documentation. No complete listing of where our students are to show that they are in only 3 states. Nothing. You must think people are really stupid. I find you a bit amusing. If not annoying like a genital cancker.

    You must really have a chip on your shoulder since your students seem to be transfering here faster than Jeff Gordon around Daytona's Track.

    So here is your big chance. I'll even provide the template for you to get started:

    Name Location Rotation Hospital

    Time to put up or shut up.

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    iknowitall,

    this is your proof?? that is it?? You discounted people saying that they have friends in other cities because futr didn't list all our clinical rotations in an inter-class email?? ROTF****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You felt that thsi was so revealing that you had to start a new thread just to say this???? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!


    So was the rumor about the anatomy prof leaving true or false. I may be misunderstanding something but it seems from the email (if it is indeed yours) that the there was a change of anatomy profs during the semester.
    It has been said several times that the anatomy proff took time off. The rumor was that anatomy was not occuring at all... which is not true. An adequate, but temporary replacement has been in place since the day the anatomy proff stopped teaching.
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    "Clinical Centers" vs "Clinicals"

    In futrlingo,

    "Clinical Center"- means a place where one can do all of their rotations, not in the same hospital but in the same area, i.e. Atlanta, Chicago. This is great for families where moving around may be a headache.

    "Clinicals"- these can be done in many states, however one can't do all the rotations there, so moving around is necessary.

    "Clinical Stupidity"- Writing inflammatory posts for 24 hours about St. Chris only having three places to do clinicals only to post an email I read last week.

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    Clincals...

    What's important is to find out if these other clinical sites (not centers) have formal affiliation agreements with SC-Luton (meaning signed, formal agreements where the HOSPITAL acknowleges SC-Luton as an affiliated school, not just a "liability contract" to have students there. Or, places where only one or two students are because they found it on there own.

    If the situation outside of the three clinical centers are the latter two (liability contract only, found on their own), then these places will be problematic for the students come licensure time. Many states REQUIRE that students do clinicals ONLY in places where there are "formally signed affiliation agreements" with the school. Again, this means the HOSPITAL must acknowledge that the school is a formal affiliate, with SC-APPOINTED (and hopefully pay for) CLINICAL FACULTIES in these hospitals. Otherwise, the clinical site might as well be non-existant because it won't count come licensure time.

    So, the clarification needs to be, how many hospitals do SC have FORMALLY SIGNED AFFILIATION AGREEMENTS WITH, where there are SC- APPOINTED (and pay for) CLINICAL FACULTY? Since SC does not have NY approval, and can only do less than 12 weeks in NY, SC's NY rotations are most likely "unaffiliated," which WILL cause licensure problems for the students who do rotations there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
    Since SC does not have NY approval, and can only do less than 12 weeks in NY, SC's NY rotations are most likely "unaffiliated," which WILL cause licensure problems for the students who do rotations there.

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    UHM, actually because your students can not do more than 12 weeks rotations does not effect wheither you can have clinical faculty on staff.

    Edit: Also Picard, will you please show me which states require formal affiliation agreements and show me where it says that? Besides Cali and NM of course.
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