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    Nebakanezer is offline Agnostic Member 510 points
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    Egotistical Comparison?

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    In a recent conversation, one of my fellow first semesters was complaining about the quality of the Junior House Officer (Think: “Recently Graduated MD”) he worked with for his anatomy dissection. I was talking about this matter with one of the fourth semesters and they responded by saying "He's really not too different from us, so what do you expect" I was quite taken back by this comment and said "I think there is quite a difference, he is a graduate with an MD, we aren't" The fourth semester replied saying "I guess to a first semester it might look that way, but really the 4th and 5th semester students are equals with a Junior House Officer"

    Doesn't this seem like just a bit of an egotistical, or in my opinion, inappropriate comparison? How can someone who hasn't even completed the basic sciences portion of their degree possibly compare themselves to someone who has graduated and passed their appropriate licensing requirements? There is a lot of room to screw-up between 4th semester and the graduation ceremony at the UN in a number of ways (Flunk out, be dismissed for ethical violations, be incapable of passing USMLE step I or II, be totally incompetent in clinical rotations etc...) I didn't think such egomania was truly present, but this conversation does seem to smack of such things...

    Any thoughts on this?

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    hmm

    post retracted
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    Yep

    Quite egotistical, given that they have only finished half of their training. The most important part is yet to come. G
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    #$%#$

    I don't know so much egotistical as just flat out wrong. T

    Now most interns I know ( at least the ones in the USA ) need pretty close supervision. I think the HO's in england were a little more self-reliant , if memory serves me correctly.

    a 4th or 5th semester medical student is no more ready to care for a sick person than a pre-med.

    oh sure they can talk for hours about peptidoglycan and foramena, but other than that they're pretty useless.

    at least an intern can write admission orders and do chest compressions, and disimpact old ladies. after a few months they can do lines and run a code without sticking dirty needles into everybody at the patients bedside, and killing the nurse with the defibrillator. At best, a 4th semester student can block the doorway so relatives can't get a good view of Aunt Tillie.

    tell your friend this fact :

    the smartest people in medicine just happen to be first semester medical students.

    Ignorance is bliss and first semester students are at the top of the bliss pyramid!

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    well get all the story in

    some of the people got rather "green" prosection instructors. Mine was great and was a ton of fun to be with, but some others were amazed that these MBBS HO's did not know all their stuff as well as we have been trained to know it. Face it, Mr/Dr. Mohite has drilled the upper limb into us ad infinitum and if you didn't know it then, you won't know it on Monday.

    Some of them knew MORE than the instructor, but that may have been an anomaly. A few more times there will really tell. Its not fair to assess them now as instructors. They are just getting to know us and what the class capabilities are in general.

    Back to Histology lecture....ugh

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    ya

    i agree with drB

    phds know alot about a little and mds know a little about alot.

    but i dont think thers any reason to gloat, book work does not replace real work
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    anatomy is worthless

    the fact that the practicing DOCTORS don't remember all that anatomy and dissection tells you just how important it is in day to day medical practice

    It is nice when we have a fresh 3rd year on the team though. Once in a while I have a burning desire to know more about the Krebs cycle or the cell wall of e coli, and I am too lazy to go find the appropriate textbooks.

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    disagree

    MD's know a lot about a lot!

    MD's , especially subspecialists are also great scientists, and know a lot of histology, physiology, etc relevant to their subspecialty.

    trust me : you would much rather have your renal physiology lecture from a nephrologist than a PhD

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    The anatomy Lab proffs are 2-3 year surgical SHO's at Guys and Kings(equivalent to 3-4th year surgical residents). THEY KNOW THEIR CLINICALLY RELEVANT ANATOMY! Anyone who says that they are equal to us is full of it. Like DrB said, we can sometimes out-perform docs with basic science questions because we just studied the material. Give these lab proffs a break, they are excellent teachers and you have only had one lab.
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