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    Ahh..the joy of attending a school like St. Chris...

    Simply reading this thread, and all others like it should be enough to keep anyone from attending schools like this! Blows my mind that students have to go through this....especially when there was a LOT of good advice (ie do not attend this school) given in the past.

    Remeber all of those posts about how great SC was, futr? That seems so long ago, and you were SO wrong.

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    of course subsequent versions of the school are completely different than the earlier 2 per the same people who told us earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by pruritis_ani View Post
    Ahh..the joy of attending a school like St. Chris...

    Simply reading this thread, and all others like it should be enough to keep anyone from attending schools like this! Blows my mind that students have to go through this....especially when there was a LOT of good advice (ie do not attend this school) given in the past.

    Remeber all of those posts about how great SC was, futr? That seems so long ago, and you were SO wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azskeptic View Post
    of course subsequent versions of the school are completely different than the earlier 2 per the same people who told us earlier.
    Sure they are....

    Shady to start, and shady it will stay. The last to leave a dying dog are the fleas......

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    azrealist

    I think the only way you are going to get them to stop this is to have the school's legal team contact Valuemd. It's insane around here. The monkeys are running the zoo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by empathy View Post
    I think the only way you are going to get them to stop this is to have the school's legal team contact Valuemd. It's insane around here. The monkeys are running the zoo.
    Hahahahahahhaha!

    Contact VMD for what? To defend the school? Puhlease. Many problems with that. First of all, the school is a documented failure. Second, the people on VMD are not doing anything wrong or illegal. For illegal activity you just have to look at the esteemed history of the school.

    The zoo is SC, not here. It is not even sad for the desperate people there, as there have been plenty of warnings. What is sad is if they can con people into believing that the school is somehow now a good idea. It is only worse now, and that is saying something....

    What gets my goat is reading all the complaints from desperate students who care about nothing other than attempting to get some value from a degree that should be worthless. And to see good 'ol empathy, who knows NOTHING about med school on here saying how much the school has improved. Sure it has...

    It is sad, sad, sad. The school should be erased, and all of those who made such a poor choice need to attend a school that does not reek of fraud, lies and mismanagement. I have no idea how anyone could accept a degree as valid from this school, as there is no reason to trust anything that went on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pruritis_ani View Post
    Hahahahahahhaha!

    Contact VMD for what? To defend the school? Puhlease.

    Yes, to defend the school. You guys are having a free for all at their expense.

    Many problems with that. First of all, the school is a documented failure.

    It's not a failure. They have grads who are practicing and the current admin are working to make changes to ensure that more grads can practice in more states in the future. They are trying. Never kick a man or school that is making an honest effort.

    Second, the people on VMD are not doing anything wrong or illegal. For illegal activity you just have to look at the esteemed history of the school.

    The zoo is SC, not here. It is not even sad for the desperate people there, as there have been plenty of warnings. What is sad is if they can con people into believing that the school is somehow now a good idea. It is only worse now, and that is saying something....

    They aren't conning anyone. Azrealist has been very honest about what is going on at the school now. He'd share more info if you guys would back off and stop sucker punching him. The only reason you post here is to drive new students away from the school and that is wrong.

    What gets my goat is reading all the complaints from desperate students who care about nothing other than attempting to get some value from a degree that should be worthless. And to see good 'ol empathy, who knows NOTHING about med school on here saying how much the school has improved. Sure it has...

    Their degree does have value and if the school continues going in the direction they are going it will have more in the future. I know nothing about med school this is true but compare Azrealist's posts to BTS's and you can see for yourself that the school's a lot more honest now.

    It is sad, sad, sad. The school should be erased, and all of those who made such a poor choice need to attend a school that does not reek of fraud, lies and mismanagement. I have no idea how anyone could accept a degree as valid from this school, as there is no reason to trust anything that went on there.
    And here is your motive...to erase the school. If, you don't have anything nice to say then take the high road and say nothing at all. Give them a chance. If the school was as bad as you tried to lead everyone to believe the authorities would have shut them down but instead the government has given them a list of improvements they would like to see made and are working with them. Obviously, they feel as I do that they should atleast be given a second chance. Especially now that they have a new admin, are tied to a large university and the government of Senegal is providing oversight.

    If, the government of England and the General Medical Council of England knows they are there and allows them to operate shouldn't we? Do you really feel that you know more about this school than they do?
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    I feel the GMC is on the right track. They have completely banned all graduates from working in the UK. That is exactly what the US should do. They could care less if a business is operating in the UK and paying taxes and generating local revenue. Wonderful. What is telling is that they will not allow the students of this school to have anything to do with the health care of the populace. Basically, they are saying "bring us your money, but take that useless degree out of here when you finish". That, empathy, is not exactly an argument in support of SC.

    I care not one IOTA about a school that is improving. The fact is, right now I have NO faith that the school can offer an adequate medical education. I have no faith that it ever did. It has been populated by liars, both students and administration. It has been banned from sending doctors to the country it is located in. It had issues with even getting a charter verified from Senegal.

    All in all, the school is and was a waste of time. They suckered a lot of smart people in, and now these same people are desperate to retain some value to a useless degree. All I want is for some standard to be enforced with offshore schools, and by ANY standard I can come up with SC falls well short.

    Again, the point is not that they are improving. The point is that they offer nothing to the US, and we cannot at all trust the degree or verify quality training. So, they should be SOL for now.

    You seem to buy into this "honest effort" thing. I don't. People like futur were on here YEARS ago, defending the people that stole from them. They were so obviously wrong about all that was going on at the school it is incredible. And, now, all of the sudden we should trust these students? We should trust this admin? We think they are doing an "honest" job?

    Well, not me. I will ALWAYS advise students to go elsewhere. Anywhere else, in fact. This school should die, and anything that came from it is tainted.

    Go to a school that is good now, do not put faith in effort or promises. What you are asking people to do is EXACTLY what they asked the first time around.

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    Puritis thank you for your highly qualified opinion.... but i think the fact that even during this troubled time several of us graduates got very very competitive residencies as well as interviews at competitive university programs speaks volumes about the quality students that have come out... now not all the students are great.. but that can be said about any program...

    i actually agree with you on a few points... yes the school had and has some troubles... but they are working on them... this doesn't mean come rushing to the program now.. but it means that in the near future it may be safer to attend... I also agree that people should go to a school that suits their needs now... if you want to work in cali... go to a school that is good NOW in cali not a school that "promises" cali approval "soon".... if you want to practice in states that allows SCIMD to be licensed in NOW... then it may be an option....

    since you hate the school so much... please don't come... i'm sure the school will be just fine even if you don't attend...

    again thank you for your valuable opinions..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pruritis_ani View Post
    I feel the GMC is on the right track. They have completely banned all graduates from working in the UK. That is exactly what the US should do.

    The US did ban them but after the paperwork they requested was submitted they cleared them.

    They could care less if a business is operating in the UK and paying taxes and generating local revenue. Wonderful. What is telling is that they will not allow the students of this school to have anything to do with the health care of the populace. Basically, they are saying "bring us your money, but take that useless degree out of here when you finish". That, empathy, is not exactly an argument in support of SC.

    No, that's not what the GMC said. They said they had concerns because it did not appear that there was appropriate oversight by Senegal. Now, it appears there is.

    To say that England is allowing what you consider a bad med school to operate in the UK simply because they are paying them to be there is a horrible comment to make. They did an investigation and if they felt this school was harmful to consumers, UK citizens or US, they would have shut them down. The GMC has worked with Oregon to shut down med schools operating on their island in the past and I'm sure they'd do it again if they felt it was necessary.

    I care not one IOTA about a school that is improving. The fact is, right now I have NO faith that the school can offer an adequate medical education. I have no faith that it ever did. It has been populated by liars, both students and administration. It has been banned from sending doctors to the country it is located in. It had issues with even getting a charter verified from Senegal.

    Not true. Senegal vouches for grads in the US so what makes you think that they wouldn't vouch for them in Senegal?

    All in all, the school is and was a waste of time. They suckered a lot of smart people in, and now these same people are desperate to retain some value to a useless degree. All I want is for some standard to be enforced with offshore schools, and by ANY standard I can come up with SC falls well short.

    An enforced standard for offshore med schools - yes, this is needed. But you don't have all the facts on this school. None of us do. Everyone is so up an arms about the school now that no one from the school is allowed to speak on Valuemd without you guys popping up and bashing them.

    You don't know anything new about the school that's why you keep reverting back to the past. Focus forward. If, you are going to come here atleast bring some new info to the table.

    Again, the point is not that they are improving. The point is that they offer nothing to the US, and we cannot at all trust the degree or verify quality training. So, they should be SOL for now.

    These students did study, they did attend classes, they did pay tuition, they sat for exams and passed...so yes, their degree is valid. It's not their fault that their school wasn't managed properly in the past. That had nothing to do with their day to day school routine. Many of them had no idea what was happening at the helm. They were focused on their school work. What they need to know today is...is the school being managed properly now? If you'd shut up long enough maybe we all could find out.

    You seem to buy into this "honest effort" thing. I don't. People like futur were on here YEARS ago, defending the people that stole from them. They were so obviously wrong about all that was going on at the school it is incredible. And, now, all of the sudden we should trust these students? We should trust this admin? We think they are doing an "honest" job?

    When someone says to students this isn't the right school for you right now. You won't be able to get licensed in the state you want to get licensed in. That's an honest job. And that's what Azrealist has been doing. You have chosen to read but not absorb the info he is posting because it does not fit into your negative mind set. Unfortunately, for some people once they get negative no matter what positives you place in front of them...they stay negative.

    Well, not me. I will ALWAYS advise students to go elsewhere. Anywhere else, in fact. This school should die, and anything that came from it is tainted.

    This school should 'die'???? It's been open for seven years now so I wouldn't bet on that happening just because you feel it should.

    Go to a school that is good now, do not put faith in effort or promises. What you are asking people to do is EXACTLY what they asked the first time around.
    Once again, Arealist has said this exact same thing...go to a school that is good now. He realizes that they have a lot of work to do at St. Chris. You really need to read his posts.
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    I think you are missing my point....

    I can see that Azrealist is a slight improvement over the old SC crowd. Not the point.

    You seem to think that simply because students attended this school, we should assume it is good enough. I completely disagree. I think that the school has never proven that it is good enough to offer a degree. I base that on many, many things, including the inability of the school to function, the lies they had to resort with, and my personal interaction with students of this school. In every case, all things I encountered were far below standard.

    As far as I am concerned, these people should not be allowed to practice medicine, as they come from a school that in no way has demonstrated that they are qualified to teach medicine or offer a degree.

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