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    I am interested to hear from graduates who want to get california licensure[/b]

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    Please refer to my previous postings and if you are interested let me know. Thanks.

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    No California licensure

    To the individual calling him/herself "California Board," you're using a misleading name, as you're not an employee of the Medical Board of California. Furthermore, you should not mislead Spartan students and graduates into thinking that taking "legal action" or any other type of action against the California Board will result in licensure for Spartan graduates. There is nothing unfair about the California laws and regulations that prevent Spartan graduates from becoming licensed in California. You have no cause of action to litigate in court. The California Board disapproved Spartan in 1985. Spartan University appealed this action in court. In 1986, the court upheld the Board's disapproval of Spartan. The court told Spartan officials that they had the right to reapply to California. In the last 18 years, Spartan officials have chosen NOT to apply for recognition in California. That's their prerogative. Spartan's disapproved status in California is common knowledge. If an individual wants to train in or become licensed in California, he or she simply does not attend Spartan. It's as simple as that. There's nothing to argue about in court or anywhere else, and I'm not going to discuss this issue further.
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    Way to go Pat Park

    I really love this Pat Park lady and the California board.

    the message is clear IN CALIFORNIA THEY LIKE DOCTORS TO GO TO PROPER MEDICAL SCHOOLS and not fake schools or bogus schools or scam schools with internet or long distance training

    IN CALIFORNIA THEY SEND A VERY VERY CLEAR MESSAGE

    OH IF ONLY THE OTHER BOARDS HAD SOME BALLS LIKE THE CALIFORNIA BOARD

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    There is nothing misleading in this statement...

    My request was for the graduates of Spartan to replay to my message.
    It is also anyones right to think and research through the process. Yes, Fortunelty Ms. Park you haven't formed a legislation to prohibit people from doing so.

    It is truly a misfortune to have you go through this forum and have such a poor attitude towards people trying to find solutions and form their thoughts.
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    Re: No California licensure

    Ms. Parks,

    I absolutely LOVE the title for your post: "No California Licensure". It reminds me of the famous Seinfeld show with the soup Nazi, "No Soup For You."

    Let me start by saying that although we may disagree with each other, I still appreciate you taking the time to answer student and alumni questions on this forum and I hope that you will continue to provide us with information and help.


    You should not mislead Spartan students and graduates into thinking that taking "legal action" or any other type of action against the California Board will result in licensure for Spartan graduates.

    Are you sure? When this Spartan grad. challenged the Oklahoma state boards, it went to the state supreme court, they found the state boards to be "unconstitutional" and he won.

    http://www.oscn.net/applications/osc...p?citeID=49099


    There is nothing unfair about the California laws and regulations that prevent Spartan graduates from becoming licensed in California.

    Really... well.. You mean a graduate from the Univ. of Bagdad or Ethiopia or Afganistan can practice in the state of CA and we can't, is fair???

    So if a Univ. of Bangladesh graduate barely passes his boards but completes residency in some little community hospital and a Spartan grad gets 90's on his boards and does his residency at the Top Residency program, the Mayo Clinic or Harvard, you think its fair that the sub-par Bangladesh grad can practice in CA and the Top Notch Spartan grad cannot??? Nope, I do not agree here...


    You have no cause of action to litigate in court.

    Cause of Action: DISCRIMINATION


    There's nothing to argue about in court or anywhere else

    I sense fear... People like California Advocate and "october" from UNIBE should be given a chance. I am sure that they would make an excellent addition to your health care system.


    I'm not going to discuss this issue further.

    You must have anticipated me but it was an honor to have you, even if just for a short time only... -s&a

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    i emailed the texas state board about their list of "schools" that that dont need to prove equivalency. i dont understand and can not see the reasoning behind having the list when most of the schools are from 5th world countries that have ZERO facilities. they have university of kabul in afghanistan listed as equivalent to texas med schools. these schools probably dont even have one hundreth the infrastructure of the worst medical school in the caribbean.

    but yet they dont need site visit etc to get approved.
    i do believe site visits are necessary to protect patient from doctors with inadequate training. but they all need to be evaluated and not just the caribbean schools. if you only require the carib schools to go through this then that is discrimination. they need to make that list a heck of a lot smaller or dont have it at all.

    on the texas website, they claim that they are protecting the patients with the list. if they are actually using that list, then it is quite a poor job because they are allowing doctors practice there that could have came from a medical school without even a single wall standing.
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    Personal thoughts

    I believe that anyone living in this great country of ours should still enjoy the freedom to express his/her opinion and ask questions even if they are Spartan students and Alumni,although I might agree with the CA state official that the only way to get to CA is to reapply like everybody else and the board members are reasonable and fair but I find it unusual to have a public forum for students to exchange questions monitored by government officials[?homeland security reasons?],anyone has the right to waste their money and seeks legal advise if they wish to do it,I have great respect to the medical boards and admire them for their public service but they are not always right as seen in the OK case.
    I believe that efforts should be concentrated on the application process and preparing for site visit by CA board and it can be done .
    However in relation to Texas new laws that a school must be equivalent to Texas schools ,I believe the Hon.Supreme court judges already given their opinion in this matter.
    trial& Supreme court opinion on requesting a foreign school standards to be equivalent to state med school standards:

    The trial court found that Subsection B of 59 O.S. Supp. 1997 § 493.2, which provides that a foreign applicant’s training shall have been " . . . based on satisfactory completion of educational programs from a school with education and training substantially equivalent to that offered by the University of Oklahoma College of Medicine," was unconstitutionally vague. The trial court also found, however, that Dr. ___ had proved that his training had been substantially similar to that offered by the University of Oklahoma College of Medicine. Because the record supports the trial court’s finding that Dr.____ medical training qualifies him for a medical license, we assume for the purposes of this opinion that 59 O.S. 493.2. is constitutional and expressly decline to address here the issue of its constitutionality.
    [I have read few TX meetings minutes and the board have approved non approved schools applicants based on residency and BC].

    Protecting the public?
    I was reading a medical journal discussing public safety and licensure ,during the FSMB meeting and the president of the board asked all direcors in all the states: you all have different rules to protect your public ,who thinks that they are protecting their citizens well?everyone raised their hand.Florida officials allowed large number of Spartan Alumni to get license,one started the largest best cardiology group in Miami,the other recieved best Radiology resident award,a third voted best physician in his hospital,fourth started international cancer prevention program,
    a fith started largest contract co to test latest phase drugs testing pharm co helping millions to heal.therefore I believe any state preventing such exceptional alumni that saved thousands of lives are hurting not protecting their citizens especially in the underserved areas.

    Desclaimer: Above are personal thoughts and not an advise to anyone.



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    Re: No California licensure

    Quote Originally Posted by shockandawe

    You have no cause of action to litigate in court.

    Cause of Action: DISCRIMINATION

    That isn't discrimnation. When two things are equal, and one is picked based on color, religion, ethnicity, that is discrimination. When a state inspects a school and finds that its facilities are sub-par, and that the education recieved doesn't meet standards they have set, that is NOT discrimination.

    If someone wnats to practice in CA, there are 4 options in the caribbean. Choose one. If you don't, it is like buying an orange and then crying becasue it doesn't taste like an apple. If you "didn't know", then shame on you for not researching one of the biggest (and most expensive) decisions of your life.

    You may be able to start some legal action, and you may be able to win. Does that make it right? I'm sure there are some very competent docs who come from Spartan, as mentioned in the above posts. I'm sure there are a lot that suck. CA is a state, and as set forth in the constitution, has a right to regulate what happens in that state. G
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    Re: No California licensure

    Quote Originally Posted by teratos
    Quote Originally Posted by shockandawe

    You have no cause of action to litigate in court.

    Cause of Action: DISCRIMINATION

    That isn't discrimnation. When two things are equal, and one is picked based on color, religion, ethnicity, that is discrimination. When a state inspects a school and finds that its facilities are sub-par, and that the education recieved doesn't meet standards they have set, that is NOT discrimination.

    If someone wnats to practice in CA, there are 4 options in the caribbean. Choose one. If you don't, it is like buying an orange and then crying becasue it doesn't taste like an apple. If you "didn't know", then shame on you for not researching one of the biggest (and most expensive) decisions of your life.

    You may be able to start some legal action, and you may be able to win. Does that make it right? I'm sure there are some very competent docs who come from Spartan, as mentioned in the above posts. I'm sure there are a lot that suck. CA is a state, and as set forth in the constitution, has a right to regulate what happens in that state. G

    If three people walk into a store, one from St. Lucia, another from Syria, another from Iraq and store manager strip searches the St. Lucian, that is discrimination.. The St. Lucian medical school, as part of the country, cannot be strip searched without strip searching ALL of the medical schools.

    Another thing Teratos, if CA thought Spartan was sub-par way back in the early 80's, I wonder what they would think of the Ethiopian school of medicine?? I am sure that they have good doctors from the Univ. of Ethiopia and doctors that suck, JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE!!!! -s&a

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    What we need guys and gals, is one centeral agency, such as the Federation of State Medical Boards, to set a fair standard or guideline for ALL international medical schools to follow. And ALL the states can just go with it.

    This guideline would for example say: There needs to be a student to cadaver ratio of 5 to 1. A school of X amount of people needs to have X amount of books. Teachers need X qualifications.. etc, etc..

    The schools can then apply directly to one single place for approval and we can end all of this wild, wild west stuff that is going on right now.. -s&a

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