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    I am interested to hear from graduates who want to get california licensure[/b]

    Please refer to my previous postings and if you are interested let me know. Thanks.

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    is this make sense?

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    Just a brief reply for the person who stated CA inspect schools that import most of their grad to US...I think that was unrealistic observation because all it take is ONE doctor to harm a patient regardless where he/she comes from........so lets not evaulate Sudan remote area univ because they import 5 doctors a yr but evaluate X Carribean university because they import 7 doctors /yr!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: is this make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZAATARI
    Just a brief reply for the person who stated CA inspect schools that import most of their grad to US...I think that was unrealistic observation because all it take is ONE doctor to harm a patient regardless where he/she comes from........so lets not evaulate Sudan remote area univ because they import 5 doctors a yr but evaluate X Carribean university because they import 7 doctors /yr!!!!!!!!!!!
    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! -s&a

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    personally, i think all foreign schools should be evaluated. i dont agree with afghanistan and schools alike being approved. just because they dont frequently have students from there ask for a license, does not mean that the door should be open.

    i feel that if sombody is applying from ANY foreign school, CA should do a school review if it was not already reviewed from a previous applicant who was accepted for a license.

    now i know it takes money to get these site visits done. if your school is willing to pay for that visit, then more power to them....... but they shouldnt be obligated to pay and neither should the CA board.

    the student who wants the license should finance the visit if he or she wants it that bad.

    students should identify schools that are not approved and are not willing to pay. if the student really wants the license from CA at least it wouldnt be a closed door for them. but that may be a lot of money to fork over for a visit so choose your school wisely.

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    Picard, a perfect example...

    Well, thanks for mentioning the laws related to carrying arms in different states by cops. I just happened to sit by a cop on a plane ride and he shared this new law that it has b/c a federal law and cops could carry their weapons to different states!!! At the time I wasn't greatly interested in the information, but it has helped me to reason with your argument at this time.

    Laws and regulations are updated and changed with time and understandings. So please lets' try to be openminded. If one is qualified to treatResidents of AZ, FL, D.C and.... which justified law and regulation should prevent one to treat residents of CA? Does this make sense?[/quote][/list]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott1981
    personally, i think all foreign schools should be evaluated. i dont agree with afghanistan and schools alike being approved. just because they dont frequently have students from there ask for a license, does not mean that the door should be open.

    i feel that if sombody is applying from ANY foreign school, CA should do a school review if it was not already reviewed from a previous applicant who was accepted for a license.

    now i know it takes money to get these site visits done. if your school is willing to pay for that visit, then more power to them....... but they shouldnt be obligated to pay and neither should the CA board.

    the student who wants the license should finance the visit if he or she wants it that bad.

    students should identify schools that are not approved and are not willing to pay. if the student really wants the license from CA at least it wouldnt be a closed door for them. but that may be a lot of money to fork over for a visit so choose your school wisely.

    JUST MY OPINION
    I'm sure you would agree that it would be much better if we just had ONE state agency that would go to the schools and review the schools, such as the Federation of State Medcial Boards. That would save everyone a lot of money.. Also that would set internation guidelines, for everyone to abide by.. -s&a

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    Picard, a perfect example...

    Well, thanks for mentioning the laws related to carrying arms in different states by cops. I just happened to sit next to a cop on a plane ride and he shared this new law that it has b/c a federal law and cops could carry their weapons to different states!!! At the time I wasn't greatly interested in the information, but it has helped me to reason with your argument at this time.

    Laws and regulations are updated and changed with time and understandings. So please lets' try to be open minded. If one is qualified to treat residents of AZ, FL, D.C and.... which justified law and regulation should prevent one to treat residents of CA? Does this make sense?
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    to California law makers:
    As a citizen,Tax payer,and personally visited many of third world countries schools and found it to be a joke ,If I go to any emergency room sick I do not want any doctor from poor understaffed medical school from third world country until his/her med school pass your site visit,and that is your responsibility to assure my safety.

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    I still believe Spartan and its Alumni has only one 2 options to go to CA either by actively pursuing CA application for approval or second MD from CA approved school.I was sitting tonight in a Chinese resturant with my family and was thinking back about my premed life and how most people got 2.5GPA went to Syria[scholorship from Baath party]Egypt,Romania,Bulguria,USSR,and we the good GPA STUDENTS WENT TO pLACES LIKE AUB or St ****** school in Bierut,and funny that THEY all came from the former comminist countries unable to be licensed in Bierut but I can yet can't in CA[Strange loop].also I was thinking from a comments one person made earlier that the Carribean imports lots of doctors but other countries do not,thinking more about it I think that is not true because you get lets say 20 carribeans for license and 60 south americans,20 middle east...etc so you get more from non carribean.
    Also when I took my certification boards in speciality and sub speciality I was told by the American boards of med specialities being board certified is the most reliable thing to assure public safety and certify that a doctor is expert in his field[I quess they told me wrong info]
    the good news I have zero interest in going to CA and advise people to pursue approval by the routine channels and applications.

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    it is simple...if you want to work in cal, go to an approved school. if your school cannot pass a site visit, your school is seriously defecient. it is NOT that expensive. the application is free, you pay for a team to come down for a few days and visit. those schools that claim cost is a factor are nuts. think of the increase in revenue! just one extra student that comes if a school is approved will more than cover the cost of the visit.

    you guys are looking to the wrong people. the CA board is doing a good thing. the folks that should be getting the attention are the greedy school owners. there is NO reason not to pay for the visit. i see no problem with a state looking to verify that a school has reasonable facilities, faculty and admin before allowing its grads to practice there.

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    Diabolical

    Sorry Teratos, Picard.... I don't mean to be a turn-coat, but:

    After reading this whole thread, I have to agree with shock&awe, Zaatari, and Scott1981. Though I usually disagree with these guys, I think they are right about the fact that it is not ethical to have schools in Africa and the Middle East that are even worse than Spartan eligible for licensure over Spartan.

    It makes more sense to me to license students who do their clinicals and residencies in US hospitals, supervised by US attendings, than people from the turbulent and poverty-ridden middle east and Africa, who may have learned surgery using a chicken in a mud-hut next door to the guy making car bombs, for all I know.
    Better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don't, right?

    If not, then all schools should be banned until given specific approval based on a site inspection.
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