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    I am interested to hear from graduates who want to get california licensure[/b]

    Please refer to my previous postings and if you are interested let me know. Thanks.

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    Re: No California licensure

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    Quote Originally Posted by teratos
    Quote Originally Posted by shockandawe

    You have no cause of action to litigate in court.

    Cause of Action: DISCRIMINATION

    That isn't discrimnation. When two things are equal, and one is picked based on color, religion, ethnicity, that is discrimination. When a state inspects a school and finds that its facilities are sub-par, and that the education recieved doesn't meet standards they have set, that is NOT discrimination.

    If someone wnats to practice in CA, there are 4 options in the caribbean. Choose one. If you don't, it is like buying an orange and then crying becasue it doesn't taste like an apple. If you "didn't know", then shame on you for not researching one of the biggest (and most expensive) decisions of your life.

    You may be able to start some legal action, and you may be able to win. Does that make it right? I'm sure there are some very competent docs who come from Spartan, as mentioned in the above posts. I'm sure there are a lot that suck. CA is a state, and as set forth in the constitution, has a right to regulate what happens in that state. G

    Not only that, but if a suit by Spartan grads were to be filed, it would be dismissed summarily since Spartan hasn't attempted all the recourse available under existing CA laws and CA Med Bd regulations - that is, they haven't bothered to apply for approval.

    So, go ahead, waste your money and make the payments on some lawyers BMW, but it won't get you anywhere.

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    By having the Federation of State Medical Boards be in charge of approval and set a fair guideline, we will decrease the amount of money spent on individual states. We will also decrease the amount of litigation and all the international medical schools will have to comply. Just as the individual states will have to comply, otherwise, they will risk being sued.. (Remember Oklahomaaaa...) The FSMB is the future.. -s&a

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    efforts should be concentrated on preperation for inspections and site visit and not on legal issues[although I was told the doctor from OK was told by state officials "do not waste your money" but if you want to sue your doctor you would not ask this doctor if you have a case or not, you simply go to a lawyer].
    Anyone has the current requirements for CA?Just follow the recommendations,when I was overseas the Joint Committe of accreditation of US hospitals restarted approving certain international hospitals,we got the requirements,prepared and when they came we were ready and get approval.If Spartan is not interested in this then you know you are simply taking big risk in your career.For us who graduated before even the school was disapproved[before June 85] we still have to pay the price even if we voted #1 physician in the USA........its not the low tuition attraction anymore,I know if the FSMB outcome is negative,I will just seek adminstrative career.

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    Lets face the reality...

    Thanks for the info S&W. I have recently found this site and it is amazing how most of the individual signed on are not even Spartan Grduates!!

    Where does this fear come from? Are some afraid to lose their jobs?
    Or is it the lack of experience?

    The bottom line is that a federal goverment taking over may be a great idea. I believe state specified medical board is needed as a regulation. But picking and choosing is another form of discrimination. All foreign grads go through training here and are compared equally through the process and even next to an American grad. So, if one is talking about patient care than focus on the post graduate studies and evaluations where, you are directly involved with patient care,and not at the 2 years of science where almost all the textbooks are equal in calibar if instructed in English. So, please look at this without discrimination. Reevaluate what are the state boards regulating??
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    Bringing up Oklahoma case is moot.
    What you need to understand is this -- the US Constitution is very clear -- powers not specifically delegated to the federal government shall remain in the domain of each individual state. This means LICENSURE, of any profession, any activity (such as concealed weapons permit, drivers license). Each individual state is allowed to set its own rules and regulations in licensure. Oklahoma medical licensure laws has absolutely no impact on California laws. Two completely different issues. The fact that the Spartan grad won in Oklahoma has ABSOLUTELY NO impact on what that same graduate can do in California. California courts have consistantly upheld the current CA legislation as constitutional under California law. Comparing Iraq/Syria...etc graduates are simply the wrong comparison under California law. Current California law aims to regulate foreign schools whose sole purpose is to import graduates into the US. Last I look, schools in Iraq/Syria... etc are not exporting 95+ percent of their graduates into the US. California law makes a very clear distinction between "domestic medical schools" (medical schools whose purpose is to train local physicians to work in the country where the school is located) and schools whose sole purpose is to educate Americans to come back into the US -- and courts have consistantly decided that this is a fair distinction, and the state has every right to regulate schools whose sole purpose is to train Americans to work in the US. In addition, California did not blanketly ban all off shore schools -- it has established a set of requirements that these schools need to meet to be eligible, and apply them evenly to schools THAT TRAIN AMERICANS TO WORK IN THE US. Spartan grads shouldn't blame the California board for their inability to be licensed in California -- you need to blame your own school for NOT seeking re-evaluation AFTER it was found substandard. Spartan has had 18 years to rectify the situation and simply failed to act. Don't blame the California Medical Board -- problem is not with them, it's with your school's inaction. And if you really wanted to practice in California, you should have gone to a school that the state approves. The approved school list is not a secret. You should have known better and done your research before you picked your school if you wanted to work in California.

    Again, licensure is in the domain of each individual state. Give you a further example -- when I was in law enforcement, we heard all the time that out-of-state cops were jailed in NY or NJ for carrying their duty weapon on vacation. NYPD cops also loved to jail NJ cops who went into their city armed... and NJ cops loved to jail NYPD officers who live in NJ and were merely carrying their duty weapon home after work. Their badge and ID stated very clearly that they are commissioned peace officers from California, Nevada, Arizona, Conneticut... etc. Their training and experiences as peace officers do not cease to exist at the state border... some of them are even REQUIRED to be armed 24/7 in their home state... but guess what, their credential ("licensure" if you will) for their profession ends at their state border. Other states are under no obligation to honor them. And if a 20+ year NYPD officer wants to move to California and be a cop in California -- guess what -- he or she will need to attend the full police academy IN CALIFORNIA all over again, like every other rookie in California. His NY credential/education/experience means absolutely nothing in California. Same goes for most other states. It's perfectly constitutional. Licensure of professions have always been, and will always be, in the state's domain.

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    It still isn't discrimination. hey are excluding Spartan grads based on the perceived quality of their education. If they accepted on Spartan grad because he is white, and refused another because he is of middle eastern descent, then that would be one thing.

    I know what you are saying, I think they should look at each person individually, rather than ban a school. Residency is really what makes a doctor, not med school. Bottom line is that the states have the right to regulate licensing of docs. I suspect that if you raise a big stink, then states will look at a uniform licensing system. Wht they would most likely do is adopt the guidelines of the most stringent state. (States like NM have) That would be CA. Then where would that leave you? G
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    The OK supreme court disagreed with ALL of you guys and called the OK state boards "unconstitutional".

    Discrimination is not only based on color, race and ethnicity. There is all kinds of discrimination against all kinds of stuff, such as against sex, against fat people, against handicapped people, mentally challenged people, short people, etc, etc, etc... You cannot discriminate against certain countries schools only. Especially when there are a lot of really crappy 10th world country medical schools out there which are being approved every single day, in the state of CA...

    We have St. Lucian people in our school that cannot afford the tuition nor the distance all the way to other schools that are CA approved such as the University of Baghdad.. So what if 90% of the regular students will practice in the USA. The Univ. of Iran has tons of licensed grads in CA, more than AUC and Ross combined and they cannot even do a simple pelvic exam, because they were not allowed to touch female patients.

    Some countries do not even have a single MRI, in the whole country and their grads are licensed in CA. I did my rotations at excellent hospitals thru-out the USA, aced my boards and made it into one of the top University hospitals in this nation, beating out top USA graduates, in a very extremely competitive field. Although, I care zero about ever practicing in CA, I should be able to, should I ever make the choice...

    You wrote Teratos: CA is a state, and as set forth in the constitution, has a right to regulate what happens in that state.

    Well. I would like to see what you would say if the state of CA boards make up a new policy, "NO MORE CARIB GRADS PERIOD." or "NO MORE FOREIGN GRADS PERIOD." I am sure that you would change your tune.. Then it would be discrimination, right...

    Anyway, I do not know why you guys (CA state boards and people from approved schools) are sooo scared of California Advocate??? Are you afraid of a repeat Oklahoma???

    Oh and another thing Picard, if anything your story about the cops arresting each other, only showed how stupid licensing boards can be and why it is so important to contest them... -s&a

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