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    Challenges for Spartan...

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    One of the major challenges for this school to progress will be to slowly but surely get rid of the old faculty, dean and especially the vice president (Dr. P****). Why? Mainly because these people are very destructive to the school.

    This needs to be done, at some point soon. From my experience with the VP, he is a very lazy, static guy who will only be a liablity. Its sad because you never want to fire anyone especially people who have families but the old boys club needs to move over in order for the school to progress. The sooner they move them out, the better. -s&a

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    Hello there,

    I am planning to goto Spartan in the 2009 January session. But i am still in the planning phase, so I was wondering how did u like the preparation for USMLE through this school.

    I have heard abt other schools who are very big on the preparation for USMLE.

    Cost is a big factor in my case as I obviously dont afford education at the big three. Keeping in mind the cost factor, do u think Spartan is a good choice for Med School? Moreover, I am from canada and this is the only school which is cheap and I get OSAP for.

    And I still don't understand this rejection from the CA and NY boards. Does it mean that a graduate from this school can never hope to practice in those states?

    Any info would be appreciated, Thanks.

    Yuvraj

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuvraj.heir View Post
    Hello there,

    I am planning to goto Spartan in the 2009 January session. But i am still in the planning phase, so I was wondering how did u like the preparation for USMLE through this school.

    I have heard abt other schools who are very big on the preparation for USMLE.

    Cost is a big factor in my case as I obviously dont afford education at the big three. Keeping in mind the cost factor, do u think Spartan is a good choice for Med School? Moreover, I am from canada and this is the only school which is cheap and I get OSAP for.

    And I still don't understand this rejection from the CA and NY boards. Does it mean that a graduate from this school can never hope to practice in those states?


    Any info would be appreciated, Thanks.

    Yuvraj

    - Step prep is now a much larger part of the schools curriculum than ever before. They are most likely going to add a 5th trimester as well has have prep courses on top of the regular curriculum throughout all 4 trimesters (I think they would probably be optional for the first two trimesters and mandatory the second two - with the 5th trimester taking place in the states)
    Regardless of the preperation offered by the school I highly recomend bringing First Aid for step 1 and literally memorizing it as you go through each tri. This will help a great deal when you are studying for step 1. (Amazon.com: First Aid for the USMLE Step 1: 2008 (First Aid for the Usmle Step 1): *** **, Vikas Bhushan, Deepak A. Rao: Books )

    - You can practice medicine in NY but during the third and fourth year you can only do a max. of 12 weeks of your rotations in NY. Lets say you have finished your clerkships and took step 1 and 2 and applied for a residency in NY - you can do your residency and practice there.

    California you can not be license in or practice unless you are at a federal facility. Although it might be on a case by case basis I am not really certain. Someone else may be able to chime in and offer more detail on Cali.

    - Just remember at the end of the day step 1 preperation falls on your shoulders not the schools. Use whatever they offer you but make sure you give yourself the time to really understand the material lectured on as well as the material in first aid and/or other high yield books.

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    as for shockandawe's post - I am not sure I really agree with you on this. I personally feel that the schools officials were only acting on the previous owners behalf, and I have never had a problem with them. If they act on the new owners behalf in a way which promotes the schools future growth then I see no problem. The old owner was happy with the school being in stasis. The new owner has his eyes on the future and with that in mind I would think the staff would as well.

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    Thanx !!!

    Thanx a lot for replying....those r some very good advice and i'll surely keep them in mind wherever i go.....on a different note....is there a particular fee for giving the USMLE's ?? and if so, is this fee included in the school tuition...pardon my lack of knowledge in this field.....thanx for ne help..

    Yuvraj

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    There are fees involved with taking each part of the usmle. These fees are NOT part of the schools tuition. If you do some searches online you will find out the amount for each test. The USMLE web site is United States Medical Licensing ExaminationŽ

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    Old Boys club..

    shockandawe...well said!

    The VP(Dr.P******) should be taken care of by the new management on urgent basis. Old boys group, especially Dr. D*******, needs to be sent to a pscyho rehabilitation center, he gets all the time to speak obscene words about lady students & caters cars to students, his class was never more than 10minutes of Lecture...!

    There are other oldies as well... not sure what they taught us, it was 4 trimesters of torture & nothing to do with the Board exam material...

    Good Luck to the new management! They have a looooong way to go.....

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    Seems to me that we covered medicine not just board prep material in medical school. Should they concentrate more on step 1 prep during classes? I think it would help better prepare students for the test. Did they cover just about everything students need for the step or really see on it? I think so.. that seems to be the case for me and the classmates I speak with.

    I always find it funny when people complain that a medical school teaches the topics of medicine vs. the topics of step 1. I am not really taking a shot against you but do wonder how you did not cover material for step 1.
    D (despite his off topic *lectures* covers almost every high yield topic in classes he lectures (at least from what I have seen and studies and heard from other students who have taken the step). I am not saying that he talks about things that are obviously a waste of time but I am saying he covered a lot more material than it seemed like he did. Again just my experience with him.

    As for cars I really have no problem with him doing that. He actually goes out of his way to make sure the cars are in running order (when compared to other locals... again though just my opinion and yours very well may be valid from your experiences)

    But again I have to express how at odds I am with you regarding their covering step 1 material. Yes they do not concentrate on it as much as they should (some other schools really lecture students for step 1 instead of lecturing them on a lot of other topics that should be taught.. However they cover it all (or 98% of it) while teaching the other 90% of material that makes up the basic sciences of medicine. I really feel saying otherwise is simply placing blame for ones own shortcomings (again not saying you ... just putting it generally after hearing students who did not do well because of their own laziness complain about things that were there own faults)

    The people I know who did well in classes did well or acceptable on step 1 (across the boards) those who did not do well did not do well on step 1 (generally speaking).

    Regarding the rest of the staff there is no reason to *unload* anyone so long as they perform the duties they are told to. If they act in the interest of the new owner (as I am sure they were doing for the old one) then there should be no problems.

    As for the new management they have a little work ahead of them. This work will take time more than anything else to reap the rewards of the efforts they are already putting forth.
    As far as I know the following is in place and/or has been put into motion to improve the university:
    - library expansion (more books, more room, more hours)
    - facilities (updating the campus to be prepared for a higher occupancy (probably go from around 20 - 30 students per tri to 40 - 50 in the next years)
    - Step 1 preparation (The addition of prep courses which will be available to those who seek them. Probably mandatory for third and fourth trimester and the addition of a 5th trimester)

    I am sure there will be more and there probably already is more. The school is obviously going to seek NY approval at some point (when ready) and obviously as the student body grows more sites will be available for clerkships. All of these things are IMVHO steps in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specialknyc View Post
    Seems to me that we covered medicine not just board prep material in medical school. Should they concentrate more on step 1 prep during classes? I think it would help better prepare students for the test. Did they cover just about everything students need for the step or really see on it? I think so.. that seems to be the case for me and the classmates I speak with.

    I always find it funny when people complain that a medical school teaches the topics of medicine vs. the topics of step 1. I am not really taking a shot against you but do wonder how you did not cover material for step 1.
    D (despite his off topic *lectures* covers almost every high yield topic in classes he lectures (at least from what I have seen and studies and heard from other students who have taken the step). I am not saying that he talks about things that are obviously a waste of time but I am saying he covered a lot more material than it seemed like he did. Again just my experience with him.

    As for cars I really have no problem with him doing that. He actually goes out of his way to make sure the cars are in running order (when compared to other locals... again though just my opinion and yours very well may be valid from your experiences)

    But again I have to express how at odds I am with you regarding their covering step 1 material. Yes they do not concentrate on it as much as they should (some other schools really lecture students for step 1 instead of lecturing them on a lot of other topics that should be taught.. However they cover it all (or 98% of it) while teaching the other 90% of material that makes up the basic sciences of medicine. I really feel saying otherwise is simply placing blame for ones own shortcomings (again not saying you ... just putting it generally after hearing students who did not do well because of their own laziness complain about things that were there own faults)

    The people I know who did well in classes did well or acceptable on step 1 (across the boards) those who did not do well did not do well on step 1 (generally speaking).

    Regarding the rest of the staff there is no reason to *unload* anyone so long as they perform the duties they are told to. If they act in the interest of the new owner (as I am sure they were doing for the old one) then there should be no problems.

    As for the new management they have a little work ahead of them. This work will take time more than anything else to reap the rewards of the efforts they are already putting forth.
    As far as I know the following is in place and/or has been put into motion to improve the university:
    - library expansion (more books, more room, more hours)
    - facilities (updating the campus to be prepared for a higher occupancy (probably go from around 20 - 30 students per tri to 40 - 50 in the next years)
    - Step 1 preparation (The addition of prep courses which will be available to those who seek them. Probably mandatory for third and fourth trimester and the addition of a 5th trimester)

    I am sure there will be more and there probably already is more. The school is obviously going to seek NY approval at some point (when ready) and obviously as the student body grows more sites will be available for clerkships. All of these things are IMVHO steps in the right direction.

    specialknyc,

    I hate to burst your bubble but it is well known that the vice president Dr. P*** and Dr. D*** are an extremely poor choice of teachers and administrators. Moreover, it is no secret that BOTH of them failed their step 1. Thus, it would be nearly impossible to teach and/or prepare students to something that they don't even understand.

    I'm very happy for Spartan but I know how dangerous Dr. P*** and Dr. D*** and a few others are to this school. Most importantly, they are NOT EVEN QUALIFIED to teach or administrate. I don't care how long they have been doing it. They should go back, study, pass their boards and prove to everyone that they are qualified. Then, maybe they can be re-hired. Sorry for speaking my mind but I have to set the record straight. -s&a
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    shockandawe:

    I have no bubble to burst. It is obvious that no carib. school can compare to harvard or columbia medical school (to use two examples), however if they lecture and teach the proper material I see no reason to state that they are incompetant.

    I am not saying that these are the best admins and prof's. I was merely pointing out that if the staff was working with the old owners goals in mind then that would explain a lot. If however they act in the new owners best interest then I see no problem with letting them stay on. You have to remember that the old ownership did not try to advance the school. This being a private university that decision rested upon one mans shoulders (ie. the owner)... why would the admin. try to do things that their boss did not want. Now there is a new owner and he/they want to move the school in a new direction ... one of positive accomplishments... if the staff supports this and complete their jobs in the best possible way then I really don't understand why people should be asking for dismisal. Again this is up to the new owner(s) and believe me, after meeting him several times, if they are lacking they will be dismissed. I just find it strange to call for the dismisal of people who were (if this is the case) doing their jobs as they were assigned to them by their boss.

    As for D. Regardless of his past record of accomplishments and failures I was stating that he does cover high yield information. I did admit that he wastes a lot of time with *off topic* conversations. But as far as I can see he does cover the material (and have heard this from other students who have taken and done well on step 1). Maybe not in the best way but he does cover it. Again I made no claim that he should be nominated for teacher of the year.

    Now passing the boards does not nec. have anything to do with teaching ability. If that were the case then most prof's would have to pass the boards (and it would surprise me if many of them would pass since most of them are only heavily trained in one field). Do some of these prof's know much about every field- No to put it simply. But if they have knowledge of and are able to teach one (or two) subject(s) well and answer questions about it while covering all the important material I see no problem with having them as prof's. Once the material is lectured it is the students own duty to study and learn this material. As it turns out *D* lectured on around 95% of what I am seeing in all of the high yield books. I feel that is a pretty good amount of material for an accelerated program.

    As you stated you did well (I am glad to hear that another *Spartanite* did well). I hope to do well as I progress through my career. But I will bet you studied your butt off to get where you are now. I know that I must do the same. My point was that the school does lecture on all the material needed (or almost all of it). Again once lectured on, the responsability falls on the students shoulders not the prof's who have lectured on appropriate material.

    Just my opinion. You are entiteled to yours.
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