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    Told you so - Not accepted in the UK!

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    Primary medical qualifications not accepted by the GMC

    The following medical schools are currently listed in the WHO directory of medical schools. The GMC, however, is not satisfied that the qualifications issued by these schools meet all five criteria for an acceptable overseas qualification. At the present time, the GMC is not registering graduates who hold primary medical qualifications obtained from the medical schools listed below. Graduates from these schools are not permitted to make a booking or to take the Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board (PLAB) test.


    Spartan Health Sciences University
    St Lucia

    GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification

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    will the addition of a 5th basic science semester address the uk short-coming?

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    Won't matter if it does, I have argued for a long time that this school is a joke and isn't accepted in the UK but those who simply do not have the ability to study medicine are happy to be ripped off by this school and will blindly defend it to the grave.

    If you need to go to this school then you don't deserve to be in medicine! Get an education and get the grades to go to a proper medical school. Don't waste your money on a school that is banned in most of the USA and the UK. Why anyone would want to go to this school now is beyond me!

    Whether the GMC accept it with it's new semester or not, would you want to risk attending a school who have been banned once?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedictoMD View Post
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    Whether the GMC accept it with it's new semester or not, would you want to risk attending a school who have been banned once?
    This argument is weak.

    There have been / and are other schools listed. Why is it I don't see you slandering these other institutions?

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    I fail to see the defamatory element in my post. Slander is an untruth intended to damage a reputation. I have consistently told the truth, Spartan graduates are banned in several states and also the UK. I have posted this here because this forum is for people looking for information on Spartan and they NEED to know that this school will not qualify them to practice in either the UK or most of the USA.

    Would you honestly want to attend a school with a track record as poor as this one knowing that it has been banned all over the world???

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedictoMD View Post
    I fail to see the defamatory element in my post. Slander is an untruth intended to damage a reputation. I have consistently told the truth, Spartan graduates are banned in several states and also the UK. I have posted this here because this forum is for people looking for information on Spartan and they NEED to know that this school will not qualify them to practice in either the UK or most of the USA.

    Would you honestly want to attend a school with a track record as poor as this one knowing that it has been banned all over the world???
    I agree with you.

    Go in this order of picking a school in the Carib:
    1. Top 4- SGU/AUC/Ross/Saba
    2. MUA-Nevis/AUA
    3. St Matthews, St James ....and others
    ...
    10. Spartan

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedictoMD View Post
    I fail to see the defamatory element in my post. Slander is an untruth intended to damage a reputation. I have consistently told the truth, Spartan graduates are banned in several states and also the UK. I have posted this here because this forum is for people looking for information on Spartan and they NEED to know that this school will not qualify them to practice in either the UK or most of the USA.

    Would you honestly want to attend a school with a track record as poor as this one knowing that it has been banned all over the world???
    You may need to examine your comments more closely. For example when you say "...that this school will not qualify them to practice in either the UK or most of the USA." it is obviously overstatement that is misleading and has false apects to it. In no way is this school banned in MOST of the USA nor is it "banned all over the world".

    I agree that informing people of the GMC guidelines as well as the schools currently accepted and not accepted is important. However if your intent was to truly enlighten possible medical students of their options with regard to acceptance according to the GMC I would expect to see your posts in all the forums of unapproved schools. I have not looked but would be willing to wager some money on the fact that you have not posted any comments or *truths* in these other schools forums. And if in fact you did, I wonder did you advise students not to attend these schools as well.
    If you have, I apologize ... but I will probably not have to.

    My problem with your posts is that you have singled out ONE school and made statements such as:

    "... I have argued for a long time that this school is a joke..."

    "...why not reiterate the point and make doubly sure that nobody else is ripped off by these scam artists"

    In my opinion (and maybe others feel differently) your "grudge" with this school is the motive behind your posts; instead of your wanting to really explain to people what options they may have when attending SHSU.
    It is more than obvious that you have issues with SHSU and these shine through in your posts (much the same way my sticking up for my school does when I attempt to correct or point out misleading, false or slanderous statements).

    In another post you startred off little less aggrivated when you stated:

    "You can read it for yourself on the GMC website, there are simply not enough hours in the course to qualify you for registration."

    What amazes me the most is the mission you seem to be on to ensure that SHSU is on/stays on the list from GMC ... In the same post you go on to state:
    "So.... if anyone has gained registration this is because they have misled the GMC. I have spoken to them again today and they want me to put my concerns in writing. Rest assured that no further Spartan graduates will get licensed in the UK."


    Again I have no problem, and in fact appluad attempts when one takes the time to indicate some truths of a school (positive or negative). I do, however, not approve of comments that are (or seem) intentionally misleading. Again I point out your statement:
    "... they NEED to know that this school will not qualify them to practice in either the UK or most of the USA."

    I do believe most people understand that you are intentionally misleading them with a statement such as that, however I do feel it necessary and try to make a point of truly discounting the negative (when wrong) and false aspects you insist on pointing out. I am unsure of the UK (but if the GMC website is "law" than it seems we can not practice there), but as for the US it is insane to say SHSU graduates can not practice in "most of the USA" This is highly misleading and completely and totaly false. SHSU students can practice in every state in the union (only in federal facilities in states which SHSU students, as well as other fine institutions are not allowed liscensure to the best of my knowledge). If you feel so strongly about this topic please research it and post each state that SHSU is currently not allowed to gain Licensure in.

    Just to repost the infomration you insist on *providing*:
    For the record the list according to a link you provided is as follows:

    The GMC defines an acceptable primary medical qualification as meeting the following five criteria. The primary medical qualification must have:

    • Been awarded by an institution listed on the WHO Directory or otherwise accepted by the GMC and be currently acceptable to the GMC. (Please note: the GMC does not accept all primary medical qualifications that are listed on the WHO Directory. See below for more information).
    • For those on the WHO Directory, been awarded by an institution that has a physical address included in the WHO Directory.
    • Been awarded after a course of study comprising at least 5,500 hours (or four years full time equivalent study).<- it seems that this is where the problem lies for SHSU and other schools. This may qualification may be met with the addition of a fifth trimester.

    • Not involved a course of study undertaken wholly or substantially outside the country that awarded the primary medical qualification.
    • Have not involved a course of study undertaken wholly or substantially by correspondence.


    The GMC currently regards most, but not all, of the primary medical qualifications listed in the World Health Organisation (WHO) directory of medical schools as acceptable for the purposes of registration with the GMC.
    Please check in this guidance for the WHO Directory primary medical qualifications that are not accepted by the GMC. The GMC may exclude the primary medical qualifications from any school listed in the WHO directory at any time.
    Primary medical qualifications not accepted by the GMC

    The following medical schools are currently listed in the WHO directory of medical schools. The GMC, however, is not satisfied that the qualifications issued by these schools meet all five criteria for an acceptable overseas qualification. At the present time, the GMC is not registering graduates who hold primary medical qualifications obtained from the medical schools listed below. Graduates from these schools are not permitted to make a booking or to take the Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board (PLAB) test.
    Spartan Health Sciences University
    St Lucia

    American University of the Caribbean
    St Maarten
    Netherlands Antilles
    St Mary’s Medical School
    Cook Islands and St Lucia
    University of Seychelles American Institute of Medicine
    Victoria
    Mahe
    Seychelles
    St Christopher's College of Medicine
    Dakar, Senegal
    Saint Luke School of Medicine
    206 Broad Street, Luke Building, 3471 Monrovia, Liberia
    Grace University School of Medicine
    Belize

    St Matthew’s University School of Medicine
    Belize
    University of the East
    Quezon City
    Philippines
    Primary medical qualifications obtained from the following medical schools may be acceptable for the purposes of GMC registration. Doctors graduating from the following schools seeking registration are advised to contact the GMC as applications will be dealt with on a case by case basis.
    Windsor University School of Medicine
    St Kitts
    Lugansk State Medical University (this only applies to graduates who transferred to Lugansk following a period of study at another medical school)
    Lugansk
    Ukraine
    St Matthews University School of Medicine
    Grand Cayman
    American International School of Medicine
    Guyana
    Hubert Kairuki Memorial University, PO Box 65300, Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania
    St Petersburg State Medical Academy, Piskarevsky Prospekt 47, St Petersburg 195067
    St Petersburg State I.P Pavlov Medical University, Ulica Tolstogo 6/8
    St Petersburg 197089
    St Petersburg State Pediatric Medical Academy, Ulica Lilovskaja 2
    St Petersburg 194100
    College of Medicine and Health Sciences, Rodney Bay, Box 2478
    Saint Lucia
    International University of Health Sciences, P.O Box 1267, Brannigan House, St Kitts and Nevis
    American International School of Medicine, P.O. Box 101728, Guyana
    Kigezi International School of Medicine, P.O.Box 7, Kabale, Uganda
    University of Sint Eustatius School of Medicine, P.O. Box 73, Orangestad, St Eustatius, Netherlands Antilles
    St Theresa's Medical University, PO Box 757, Taylor's Range, Victoria Road, Basseterre, St Kitts
    Oceania University of Medicine, Oceania University Building, National Health Complex
    Motootua, P.O. Box 232, Apia, Samoa

    GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedictoMD View Post
    I fail to see the defamatory element in my post. Slander is an untruth intended to damage a reputation. I have consistently told the truth, Spartan graduates are banned in several states and also the UK. I have posted this here because this forum is for people looking for information on Spartan and they NEED to know that this school will not qualify them to practice in either the UK or most of the USA.

    Would you honestly want to attend a school with a track record as poor as this one knowing that it has been banned all over the world???
    Which is it to be? Several states or most of them?
    Also, despite some redneck pretensions, even 50 states do not consitute the whole world.
    Well done for spotting Spartan's vulnerability vis-a-vis tuition hours. But I do agree with specialknyc that there seems to be some kind of animus towards Spartan which is leading you into intemperate waters.
    Is Spartan really so much worse, so much more of a "scam" than many other Caribbean schools -several of which (including the hitherto unimpeachable AUC) are also recently arrived on the GMC's bad boys list.
    "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."
    Samuel Beckett, "Worstward Ho", 1983

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    The list of banned US states is sufficient enough to constitute "most of" as the number of states who do not permit graduates to practice is higher than those states who do due to more and more states using the Cali list thereby quantifying my statement of "most of"!

    Why would I spend my time posting in the forums of every school banned in one or more states and the UK? I have a job which occupies much of my time. I only post in the Spartan forum because I was previously considering Spartan and have been misled by them.

    Following my correspondence with the GMC (yes it was me who got Spartan banned in the UK) I can rest a little easier at night knowing that my family are not going to be treated by relatively unqualified people who are not worthy of the title 'physician'. People whose academics are so poor they have been rejected by every medical school they apply to so attend a school who issue diplomas for cash.

    My Paramedic degree had more content than a Spartan medical degree and I know this because I have met Spartan students in the UK before the BMA banned their students from rotating here. Poor clinical skills and poor clinical knowledge is the general observation from Spartan students and grads.

    Spartan sending me an email saying that they would falsify my transcript certainly didn't help their case and when the GMC received all the evidence I put to them, they simply banned Spartan. I also did the same for LSMU who award academic credit for cash but others helped with getting LSMU banned so I can't claim all the credit.

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    paramedictoMD:
    The more you talk (type) the more you discount yourself

    It is official now. At this point you have completely stripped away any chance of being taken seriously.

    This is the last comment I will be making on this topic since I now believe your posts, regardless of their antagonistic and childish nature, will be seen for what they are - biased, hateful and preposterous at best.

    Your repeated statement of *most of the USA* is simply not true and I won’t even touch your comment regarding your transcript.

    Keep plugging away with the GMC. My friend (an SHSU graduate) who intends on going to the UK shortly, as a physician, will treat your family and friends well.

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