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    Article on Spartan Nobel Peace Prize Winner!!!! (one of many articles)

    One of many articles written about Spartan graduate. Out of respect for this physicians' privacy, I put [Spartan grad.] for his name, [location] for where he was providing care, etc.

    There are other articles written by other USA journalists that show picture of this Spartan grad. receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. Big plaque sits on his office wall from the Norweigian Nobel Prize committee that reads: his name, Nobel Peace Prize, Doctors Without Borders, 1999

    The organization Doctors Without Borders was honored with the Nobel Prize. However, organizations are made up of people. A select few doctors whom the Nobel Prize committee found to have played a significant role in Doctors Without Borders and for all their great work for humanity, were chozen to come to Norway, put on the tuxedo and receive the Nobel Peace Prize. A Spartan Health Sciences University grad. was one of those select doctors!!!!

    Great news for Spartan!!! Great news for all Carib. Med schools!!!!




    Nobel Peace Prize

    Tuesday, November 23, 1999

    By [name of reporter]
    [name of newspaper] Staff Reporter

    A [location] doctor will take a break from helping the needy around the world next month to help pick up the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Dr. [Spartan Grad.] will fly to the Philippines on Sunday to provide medical care for women just days before he and other physicians from Doctors Without Borders accept the award.

    "That's what this is all about,'' [Spartan grad.] said yesterday. "I have been given the privilege to be in a field where I can help people.''

    [Spartan Grad.], 32, is a fourth-year chief resident of obstetrics and gynecology at [location] University Medical Center.

    The hospital allows him to volunteer for several humanitarian organizations, including Doctors Without Borders, [Spartan grad.] said.

    The organization offers medical aid where needed around the world and was awarded the Nobel Prize last month. The award will be presented Dec. 10 in Oslo, Norway.

    [Spartan grad.], a Canadian citizen, has been at [location] for six years. He and the hospital also coordinate work with two other humanitarian organizations -- Health for Humanity and Medicine for Humanity.

    [Spartan Grad.] and Dr. [another doctor], director of the Department of Gynecologic Oncology at [location] Cancer Hospital, will spend two weeks in the Philippines providing cervical-cancer screenings and other treatment for women. The trip is affiliated with Medicine for Humanity.

    "I am so excited about going to Oslo,'' [Spartan grad.] said. "We're hoping this will let people know how important volunteering is.

    "The award is wonderful, and we had no idea we would be acknowledged for our work. The credit goes to the organization (Doctors Without Borders) and the local people of these countries who have had the courage to bring about good health care for their people.''

    [Spartan grad.] has made trips to China and Africa with Doctors Without Borders.

    "My main emphasis is women's health care,'' [Spartan grad.] said. "In some of these countries, women's health care was not a priority. Things such as Pap smears were not done in China.

    "And preventable diseases were killing women.''

    [Spartan Grad.] said officials from Doctors Without Borders worked hard to convince various governments of the need to provide women's health care.

    "In these countries, like China, women are the primary teachers of children,'' he said. "If they are gone, the children are lost.''

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    stephew is offline Moderator Guru 512 points
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    Bogus rotations, high tuition, poor ratios and environments and yet, I forgive you, stephew...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockandawe
    yadda yadda yadda....repeating lies......No problem, I forgive you...
    thank's big guy! Now I can sleep well at night; but ill really sleep well when you give me that data on Spartan. More to the point so will the students you hope to influence by lying about other fine places. C'mon. The hard data. Just once. Still waiting....But remember, if you cant come up with it, I forgive you. And am hardly surprised
    Steph
    If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

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    You can overcome it...

    I believe some of us fail to realize that in the end, we're all graduates of the caribbeans. No US colleague/director will be glorified by the presence of an almighty SGU graduate, or hang themselves in utter disgust and shame by the presence of a filthy Spartan graduate.

    It's just about personal preferences, as simple as that. There is no need or cause to unleash your primary behaviors like "I'm better than you, neener neener neener!"

    SGU is an excellent school embodying the facilities and the faculty to support its reputation. Unfortunately there's no escape from the stigma as a part of the caribbean diploma mill business. After all, it does suck every penny out of your student budget to keep those graphite floorings shiny.

    Spartan is one of the first schools to establish in the caribbeans and has unbelievably failed to improve accordingly to its years in par to the Big 3's. My primary school was bigger than Spartan campus, and one of our former professor had a horror of an accent that he might as well have spoken Dutch and no one would have noticed a difference.

    But the standing campus is more than suffice to meet the needs of the students. We have a dusty old TV playing the same HBO and Fox channels, though it may not be a 60" flat screen from Sony. We have a cafeteria to fill our guts when hunger strikes during the school hours, though it may not be culinery art served on a silver platter by an exquisite first class chef. We have a small library for text references though the shelves are not night lit or glimmering with metal finishing.

    The faculty members extend much concern and enthusiasm for each student though they address courses outside of their specialty. It certainly didn't happen in my undergraduate years to see students and professors having a tournament of table tennis during lunch breaks, going on island hops together, or discussing medical and social ongoings over drinks as real people behind the roles implied on them during school hours.

    Most of these professors are qualified and experienced in their own home countries, Cuba, India, etc. Now I don't know how many of you have the balls to point fingers and dare to look down on our older generations of medical doctors from underprivileged countries with incredible discipline and hard earned knowledge against the limited resources, competitive restrictions, and traditional hardships. They're all inspirational people in that aspect, no matter how harsh their accent (which by the way, wouldn't be #1 factor to consider when measuring the quality of a medical educator). The fact that their degrees are from India make them no less of a doctor or underqualified than their American counterparts. If there's a disagreement in this particular issue, I hope an arrogant Harvard graduate will punch your nose in!

    For most part, all of us here at Spartan have a wonderful relationship with our faculty members, and appreciate the evident effort they set forth to lighten up our load in any way they can- which they do successfully in most cases. From chasing down a struggling student personally during breaks to let him know that a review session will be offered, to sitting down with a student for two hours until he digests a difficult concept- I don't know about you, but to me that's quality teaching.

    There's no arrogance, but humble and kind hearts in Spartan faculty. I experienced it myself in my first trimester when my Anatomy and Embryology professor came knocking at my home panting and sweating, minutes after hearing about my health problems. 1/3 of the entire faculty waited and stood by the hospital doors anxiously for hours when two of our students had a car accident. Our small community has its ups and downs but for the times that matter, pull together like a family- students signing up to volunteer for one hour shifts of bedwatch for the girls in car accidents, everyone in school celebrating all the birthdays together, and sharing all inside and outside resources to pull through the courses.

    Throughout my undergraduate and post graduate years at UBC, I haven't had one incredibly capable professor with a blessing in ultimate art of teaching that enlightened me on the subject to an extent that I didn't read the text or make references on my own for complete comprehension. I remember having professors whose teaching style I despised to bits despite their flying color credentials and qualifications.

    Yes there are spelling mistakes in their powerpoint notes. Yes few minutes can be taken when answering a question from the students. Yes there is a clown of a professor. Yes the accent is irritating. But have I never come across these before at UBC? Are these so lethal and detrimental to the integrity of my academic career? I'd need a lot of kleenex for the years ahead as an IMG if I dwell on such trivial matters.

    When it came the time, my choice was not to pay $13,500 in tuition and $3,000+ in accomodation per trimester for 10-11 trimesters to immerse myself in pretty buildings, fancy equipments, and "quality teaching". After so many years at a top ranked university back home with all listed sweets & spices minus the caribbean stigma, my experience was that they're all but a materialistic means to reassure myself about my capabilities. If you work yourself to the extent, the way you should, it doesn't matter if you went to Yale or Hollywood Upstairs Medical College so as long as both are WHO listed with realistic authenticity.

    Call me crazy but I chose be $12,000 + 3% annual interest less in debt every trimester, even though it means things will be a little tougher, a little aggrevating, and a little breaking. That's my personal preferences because I'm cheap and poor and when I can't pay for goodies in life, I work harder and longer for it. Besides, something about the number of students accepted per year at Big 3s put me off of the option completely.

    I'm quite happy about my clean tuition and accomodation obligations of $3,550 and $1,000 per trimester for 9 trimesters respectively, with no ridiculous add-on's like this-and-that fee, airconditioning cost and oh-dormitory-B-is-5-square-foot-bigger-than-dormitory-A charge.

    Attending SGU doesn't dodge one out of the obligations of an IMG. It all boils down to a ticket to Step 1. How you want to go about it within this ridiculous cluster of rank defining money greedy diploma printing factories is ultimately up to you and it doesn't make you any superior or inferior than your next caribbean colleague, by which school you chose to pay to get you to Step 1.

    It's a battle of your own to pave your way through the "pooh pooh creek" with the caribbean stigma and only you merit all the recognition for the hard work, not the school.

    I asked the same questions, had the same suspicions, tossed and turned in bed over the same pros and cons about the different universities in the caribbeans as a prospect a year ago. With my level of skeptism, it wasn't easy choosing Spartan over Big 3s or Saba. But after 9 months in St. Lucia, I'm still paying my tuition to this university with no regret, no pressure, or no complaint. Again, please keep the "you work for the university" comment to yourself. Feel free to flip through past posts by me, I was just as negative as anyone. I still am for the many deficiencies of Spartan. Just thought I'd toss in my two cents after some lack of participation on this forum.

    So let's put on our soon-to-be or already-is "doctor faces" and stop the immature you-bashed-my-school-first game.

    Cheers,
    Kirsten

    PS. I bet some of you guys missed my verbal diarrhea! [/i]

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    Bogus rotations, high tuition, poor ratios and environments and yet, I forgive you, stephew...

    Quote Originally Posted by stephew
    thank's big guy! Now I can sleep well at night; but ill really sleep well when you give me that data on Spartan. More to the point so will the students you hope to influence by lying about other fine places. C'mon. The hard data. Just once. Still waiting....But remember, if you cant come up with it, I forgive you. And am hardly surprised
    I'm actually quite surprised that a moderator of your experience and a graduate and resident of reputable institutions will come down to the level of bullying on the proven and standing problem of Spartan.

    You know as well as anyone else in this forum that the school doesn't have any "hard data" to publish and none of us can dish it out for you.

    Spartan is a poor, understaffed, and probably the most unmotivated school. I stopped dreaming of such organized efficacy as a compiled data on board pass rates and NRMP results for all students in 20+ years of Spartan history, when I was answered on the phone with "Hello, Can I help you?" like I dialed a number to a local Chinese restaurant. The floating rumour is that the school is now attempting to collect such information but I wouldn't count on it.

    This whole thread was amusing to say the least, how one thought it'd be nice to mention something positive about the school for once, and ended up getting slapped left and right as a pathetic attempt at a disgusting propaganda to sell a dump of a school to naive, innocent prospects on the forum by regulars and moderators alike.

    Bravo guys. Keep up the optimism and don't respect eachother too much.

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    Spartans USMLE PASS RATE!! Posted for the first time in history...

    Steph,

    I was very hurt when you indirectly called me a liar. I actually thought about ending our relationship and breaking up with you forever and ever but then I came back to my senses and I realised that you are just very upset with me, for making so many great points, hee, hee....

    But steph, I realised that you have been taking advantage of my innocents. I just got word that the sgu class is well over 340 students, very outrageous and I underestimated how out of control the business had gotten, but you knew this all the time, steph, and you said nothing about my 200 or so, way under-estimation!!! It's OK. I guess it doesn't matter much after the first couple of hundred students. Enough with my issues... I think that everyone knows the truth about them. Lets talk about you.

    So you want me, an alumni of Spartan to give you "hard data", right? You want to know what is Spartans' USMLE step 1 pass rate, right? And then you can compare it to sgu, ross, etc and then we will get an idea of which school is better right? At least, better at preparing their students for step 1 or 2, right?

    Well, steph, today is your lucky day because I am going to give you Spartans' USMLE step 1 pass rate!!!!! I am holding it in my head but first, lets go over the process, shall we?

    Lets say I am a student at one of these very corrupt carib. med. schools. For the sake of simplicity, lets say I am a current Spartan student, who just completed his basic sciences and is preparing for step 1. So I send the forms to Spartan, so that they can sign them for me and they do it. Now, Spartan can assume one thing, they can assume that "shockandawe" is going to be taking step 1, sometime in the near future. But they do not know exactly when (there is a three month grace period)? More, they do not know whether shockandawe is going to chicken-out or not? Maybe I will chicken-out at the last moment, I don't know?

    Anyway, shockandawe continues to do his rotations, one after the next, then 9 monthes later, he sends another USMLE step 1 application to be signed by Spartan. Are you still following?

    So this time, the Dean calls shockandawe and says, "Dude, what's up? I thought we already signed your application a while back. What happened? Did you fail?" Then shockandawe says, no he didn't fail, he just "chickened-out". You see shockandawe never took step 1 the first time or did he? How can we know the truth? Well, the ECFMG is not required to tell the school anything, so we cannot rely on them. So we have to rely on the integrity of the student and the school.

    This gets more complicated because the students at Spartan do not have to pass step1 or step2, in order to graduate. In other words, they can graduate and become MDs without ever taking step 1 or 2. Some of them, take boards in other countries, Sauid Arabia, UAE, etc... Some of them might get their forms signed once and then they may disappear off the face of the planet. We do not know whether they passed or failed? Some, may never take their boards. However, steph, you demand pass rates and I promised you that I will furnish you with them!! And I will keep my promise!!!

    But steph, do you think that sgu, auc, ross, etc, will keep their promise to you? Will they tell you the truth? Let me ask you, who is regulating them? Is the island of Dominica regulating Ross or is St. Maarten regulating AUC? I don't know...

    Couldn't Spartan easily twist the truth. Well, our records show that shockandawe passed step 1, the first time. The other 19 students in shockandawes' class went to practice in the UAE and they never really took step 1, thus Spartan has a 100% USMLE step 1 pass rate!!!! Hurray, we beat everyone!!! But we shouldn't say 100% pass rate, guys, that doesn't look good, no one will ever believe us. Let say, we have a 93% pass rate. I like that. What do you think steph? Pretty good huh?

    Finally, please know steph, that when I write to you and everyone else in this forum, I am only expressing my opinion, however, twisted you might think my opinion is... But I do not write to "influence" or "sell" anything to anyone. I could care less, I am completely finished with Spartan. I had a great experience, made it into one of the top ten hospitals in the USA, etc.. When I write about the tuition, ratio, etc.. Those things were important to me when I decided which medical school I wanted to go to and yes, I was accepted into all 3 of the so-called big three.. and I chose Spartan. I did my clinical rotations at excellent hospitals and I made it into a top residency position, in a competitive speciality. Anyway, this isn't about me. I just wanted you to know that I would not come into this forum to say anything which I thought was untrue.

    Even, the Spartan Nobel Peace Prize winner. I truly believe that he shared the prize. There are over twelve articles from different newspapers throughout the USA that say essentially the same thing. The top institutions that he attended agree and I was informed that he sent his invitation letter from the Norweigian Nobel prize committee and a copy of his plaque to Spartan. In fact, there is a newspaper picture with him recieving the prize. Although, I admit that it isn't the most important thing in chosing a medical school, I am intrigued by this.. And judging by the amount of posts in this thread, there are a lot of other people whom are also intrigued. Some in a positive way, others in a negative way. I personally just think that it is a really nice story.

    If you look at when I first posted this story in this thread, I only wrote, "great news.." I didn't start the attack. Then people started to not only challenge my original article post but also to challenge spartan in general. But when these people disagree with me for saying that this spartan grad. shared the Nobel prize, they are not only disagreeing with me but they are also disagreeing with all the articles, the institutions, etc.. I am nothing. I just posted an article...

    So what I am trying to say steph, is that I wouldn't lie to you. I truly believe in everything that I am saying, whether you believe it or not. No problem. Once again I have come to forgive you.

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    Spartans USMLE PASS RATE!! Posted for the first time in history...

    Still waiting.
    Steph
    If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

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    re: Spartans USMLE PASS RATE!! Posted for the first time in history...

    Quote Originally Posted by shockandawe
    ...

    This gets more complicated because the students at Spartan do not have to pass step1 or step2, in order to graduate. In other words, they can graduate and become MDs without ever taking step 1 or 2. Some of them, take boards in other countries, Sauid Arabia, UAE, etc... Some of them might get their forms signed once and then they may disappear off the face of the planet. We do not know whether they passed or failed? Some, may never take their boards.

    ...
    Well, I hate to get between the guru and the shock but I would like to correct this comment.

    From Spartan's website http://www.spartanmed.org/html/program.html
    All students are required to demonstrate competency in the basic medical sciences before being permitted to begin clinical rotations. Competency may be assessed from the University administered and required Comprehensive Exit Examination at the end of Basic Sciences program and passing of the United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE) Step 1.

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    stephew is offline Moderator Guru 512 points
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    re: Spartans USMLE PASS RATE!! Posted for the first time in history...

    [quote="dt"]
    Quote Originally Posted by shockandawe
    ...



    Well, I hate to get between the guru and the shock
    that could hurt
    Steph
    If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

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    Step 1 pass rate...

    dt,

    Trust me on this, you do not need to pass step 1 or 2 to graduate from spartan. If you do not believe me, then just call them up.


    steph,

    I already gave you the step 1 pass rate for spartan, it is above 93%. But you do not believe me!! That's good, you shouldn't believe me or anyone else from the carib. who gives you bogus pass rates, in order to lure you or anyone else into their program.

    As you can clearly see from my previous post, it is virtually impossible to fairly regulate the results. For not only do you have to depend on the integrity of the student and the school but more, at spartan, you need to take into account, that students are not even required to pass step 1, in order to gratuate.

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    LoL

    Okay girls, it stops here.

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