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    If anyone has any IDEA watsoever where the heck to do decent electives specifically in the city of Chicago or New York that is SPECIFICALLY GREEN...i would greatly appreciate some ideas and suggestions. I made numerous phone calls to the ones in Chicago today and they all seem to say no thru UIC...so Im not sure wat to do and where to do electives w/o all the hassle. I know Cleveland Clinic in Florida is one option. Also Wyckoff which charges too much...any other suggestions? and how to convince them? thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaiyyachaiyya View Post
    If anyone has any IDEA watsoever where the heck to do decent electives specifically in the city of Chicago or New York that is SPECIFICALLY GREEN...i would greatly appreciate some ideas and suggestions. I made numerous phone calls to the ones in Chicago today and they all seem to say no thru UIC...so Im not sure wat to do and where to do electives w/o all the hassle. I know Cleveland Clinic in Florida is one option. Also Wyckoff which charges too much...any other suggestions? and how to convince them? thanks

    how much does wyckoff charge? and are they green. also cleveland clinic allows you to only do 2 electives with them at 250/week. thats about 650$ for 2 electives after the schools 135 a week.
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    Mount Sinai in chicago has some great electives...cardio/endocrine/pulmonary...you do/learn alot...its best to have done medicine/surgery/peds/family before doing the electives though..because they expect a lot out of you..

    forgot to add....they are green too..you work directly with the fellows in each specialty

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    i was thinkin more along the line of anesthesiology...and $650 is not that bad for 8 weeks if you compare it to like $1000 for other places or $500 for one month...so thas a great deal.

    why can't this stupid school help set up electives for us rather than making us scramble and call these places who just flat out reject us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaiyyachaiyya View Post
    i was thinkin more along the line of anesthesiology...and $650 is not that bad for 8 weeks if you compare it to like $1000 for other places or $500 for one month...so thas a great deal.

    why can't this stupid school help set up electives for us rather than making us scramble and call these places who just flat out reject us?
    one thing they could do is set up a searchable database of all the electives smu students have done -- with contact info, links to websites, apps, etc. in fact, the hard part -- data entry -- could be done by the students as part of registration. enter the rotation, contacts, dates, preceptor, location, and presto... next student has it much easier. no need to re-invent the wheel. yes, setting up electives on your own, (most of which charge you/the school nothing), makes you wonder how it could possibly be that our school collects money for us. press on. it will be over before you know it.




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    Jackson park is "green" everything is under the family umbrella.. (since the only residency they have their is family). Some electives are good, others.. well they are not so good.
    -Geriatrics w Dr. M: easy 9-5er. You learn some stuff..and get great lunch
    -Urgent Care: easy but too far away 2 hour commute to Joliet
    -Neuro: worked like a dog/slave.. dont do it Dr. G, lots of learning though
    -Derm: Easy 8am-1pm 3-4 days a wk. Lots of patients.. Dr. M is very nice
    -ER (at outside site, Norwegian American Hospital Dr. L).. GREAT 7am-7pm
    -Cardio: very short days (great if you are studying for boards) Dr. M is a great guy, be sure you dont get Dr. K (unless you want to work 4am-3pm). You will learn how to read EKGs very well and some echos. days average 3hours.

    sinai elective require you to be almost done with cores. just a heads up.
    good luck

    oh and Jackson park is a rough hospital.. just a warning and electives are 250/wk so you must pay a little out of pocket for each weak cause the school covers 130 only .
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    thanks for the response guys...greatly appreciate it...see I dont mind Jackson Park, but I have a problem with "umbrella"...especially if I am considering licensure in Texas for example. They require their electives to be green as well so how does that work if an elective is under an Internal Medicine umbrella? Anybody shed some light on that please?

    For example, they have internal medicine externship at St John's Mercy in St Louis and said that infectious diseases is under their umbrella so is that legit? I hate this umbrella complication crap. Thanks for the help guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaiyyachaiyya View Post
    thanks for the response guys...greatly appreciate it...see I dont mind Jackson Park, but I have a problem with "umbrella"...especially if I am considering licensure in Texas for example. They require their electives to be green as well so how does that work if an elective is under an Internal Medicine umbrella? Anybody shed some light on that please?

    For example, they have internal medicine externship at St John's Mercy in St Louis and said that infectious diseases is under their umbrella so is that legit? I hate this umbrella complication crap. Thanks for the help guys.


    I am right there with you my friend. (texas) I will not touch an "umbrella elective with a 10 foot pole. it has suck traveling the states and making hundreds of phone calls just for electives but I guess you got to do what you got to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALB123 View Post
    Jackson park is "green" everything is under the family umbrella.. (since the only residency they have their is family). Some electives are good, others.. well they are not so good.
    -Geriatrics w Dr. M: easy 9-5er. You learn some stuff..and get great lunch
    -Urgent Care: easy but too far away 2 hour commute to Joliet
    -Neuro: worked like a dog/slave.. dont do it Dr. G, lots of learning though
    -Derm: Easy 8am-1pm 3-4 days a wk. Lots of patients.. Dr. M is very nice
    -ER (at outside site, Norwegian American Hospital Dr. L).. GREAT 7am-7pm
    -Cardio: very short days (great if you are studying for boards) Dr. M is a great guy, be sure you dont get Dr. K (unless you want to work 4am-3pm). You will learn how to read EKGs very well and some echos. days average 3hours.

    sinai elective require you to be almost done with cores. just a heads up.
    good luck

    oh and Jackson park is a rough hospital.. just a warning and electives are 250/wk so you must pay a little out of pocket for each weak cause the school covers 130 only .

    Sinai does not require you to be done with cores because I did anesthesia and cardio before I had any cores done.

    The family umbrella thing no longer counts!! To count for a green rotation you must have a ACGME number (look at the Frieda site) which requires that there be a residency program in the same subject as the elective/core. I have told Kim at AIME about this and she was going to look into it but I have not heard back from her.
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