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    Clinical grades

    Does anyone else think that the school is only hurting their residency reputation (our opportunities) by calculating 55% of our clinical grades from written exams? It seems that we are competing with other's for residency positions who's grades are going to mainly reflect their clinical performance. Is it true that residency directors look at numbers to select people for positions not how the numbers are calculated?

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    I couldn't agree more!!

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    I agree that this system needs to change for all the above reasons. This is not a issue of students being lazy. Having taken multiple midterms I can tell you that none of them are fair and all have very poorly worded question stems with even worse answer choices. I have had senior residents and attendings review my weekly quiz answers and in the majority of cases they agreed with my answer selection.
    The fact that it counts for such a huge part of our grade is what should set every one of us off. I'm not one to rock the boat too hard but this is not helping anyone for step II or helping us to secure a cometetive residency.
    When applying for a resdency in lets say Internal medicine, it would be helpful to have a Honors in that core. If you received Honors from your preceptor, but got a High Pass because of some bogus test your school mis-weighted, then all the program director sees is your High Pass on your transcript. When comparing you to other applicants, you look like the lesser applicant. None of the other school have anything like this, so I know that it is not for accreditation purposes. What can we do to change this nonsense policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff6017 View Post
    I agree that this system needs to change for all the above reasons. This is not a issue of students being lazy. Having taken multiple midterms I can tell you that none of them are fair and all have very poorly worded question stems with even worse answer choices. I have had senior residents and attendings review my weekly quiz answers and in the majority of cases they agreed with my answer selection.
    The fact that it counts for such a huge part of our grade is what should set every one of us off. I'm not one to rock the boat too hard but this is not helping anyone for step II or helping us to secure a cometetive residency.
    When applying for a resdency in lets say Internal medicine, it would be helpful to have a Honors in that core. If you received Honors from your preceptor, but got a High Pass because of some bogus test your school mis-weighted, then all the program director sees is your High Pass on your transcript. When comparing you to other applicants, you look like the lesser applicant. None of the other school have anything like this, so I know that it is not for accreditation purposes. What can we do to change this nonsense policy?

    Speak to the academic dean of clinicals

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    I went over a couple of the questions with the Dr I am rotating with and he said they were awful.... that they are a waste of time.
    he told me to not even waste time on the quiz questions--- submit them and move on. he said use the timet o study fo step instead

    2 people i rotate with have to do NOTHING but study for step 2 and show up at the rotation--- not fair in my opinion

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    Best thing to do would be to share your concerns with Dean R. Whats the SGA of clinicals doing? This would be an excellent issue to take on. I'm all for quizzes if they help the student. But too many knowledgeable people have said that the quizzes and midterms are written so poorly.

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    We brought up all these issues to the deans when
    they came to visit us in the UK.
    They said they would look at it, but you know how that goes
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    I think its good that our school wants to raise the standards. No other caribbean school comes close to the demands of our clinical coursework. It can only look good for the school; however that being said at the same time it is in need of modification.The questions either need to be restructured to be less obscure or the overall weight of these quizzes and midterm need to be reduced.When residents and attendings are arguing over correct answers something isnt right. I don't mind the extra work but i dont want to be punished for no reason.I dont think it matters in the end but i can understand how people are upset getting a high pass/pass when they get honors on their evaluations. This issue is worth discussing with the clinical dean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonasp View Post
    I think its good that our school wants to raise the standards. No other caribbean school comes close to the demands of our clinical coursework. It can only look good for the school; however that being said at the same time it is in need of modification.The questions either need to be restructured to be less obscure or the overall weight of these quizzes and midterm need to be reduced.When residents and attendings are arguing over correct answers something isnt right. I don't mind the extra work but i dont want to be punished for no reason.I dont think it matters in the end but i can understand how people are upset getting a high pass/pass when they get honors on their evaluations. This issue is worth discussing with the clinical dean.

    I absolute agree with you. We want quizzes, but quizzes that will help us.

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