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    Serious Problems in the Vet School

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    I am writing this because of some recent events which have occurred in the veterinary school regarding a lack of enforcement of school policy and the most basic of academic and professional standards. The vet school is turning into an institution which seems adamant on allowing students to continue a professional education in which, unfortunately, they have no place.

    Simply put, students are failing or maintaining GPA’s below 2.0 and being allowed to continue in their education.

    The students who are studying hard to maintain their grades above 2.0 are being distracted, insulted, and disregarded by upper level school administrators such as the Dean of Veterinary Medicine and the Dean of Students.

    While this controversy centers upon one person right now, there are probably one or more persons who are, or have been, in direct violation of academic standards in every term at this school. Some of you may have seen flyers posted around veterinary areas regarding this person. I was not responsible for these and I don’t know who is but I am sympathetic to their strong feelings on this matter.

    Pages 95 and 96 of the 2005-2006 Student Manual state, in no uncertain terms, the standards to which we must all adhere. Why do some students slip through the cracks? As I have said, to the best of my knowledge there are persons in every term (2-6) who have been granted exception to these rules. Is this the best thing for the other 99.9% of us?

    Why do I care?

    1) I don’t want to have bad veterinarians endangering the lives of animals. How can someone properly administer drugs to my beloved dog/cat or very expensive horse that has received a D or F in Physiology but was allowed to slide past?

    2) The still tenuous reputation of SGU’s vet school will be harmed if people are allowed to progress to clinical rotations in the UK, US, Canada or wherever and are academically unfit. It will show! People in those institutions will know! You will know!

    3) It is unfair to the 99.9% of vet students who work hard to maintain academic standards for themselves (above 2.0) when people are allowed to slip through this chasm.

    People will sometimes have a bad term or a bad class which ruins a term for them. These things happen for various reasons. I am NOT referring to these people. I am referring to people who fail or have a sub-par GPA (<2.0) over and over again. As much as it pains me to say this, not everyone belongs in this profession.

    I believe this problem reflects poorly upon the medical school as well. Ask yourself, would you want such a person performing procedures on your pets or having access to restricted drugs? If something serious happens in the future, would it create a sinking feeling in your heart knowing this person was an SGU grad? It reflects poorly on everyone!

    I am not necessarily asking anyone to write letters, sign petitions, send nasty emails, and certainly NOT harass or personally insult people in this situation. I am upset about what is happening right NOW in our school and am seriously concerned about its future.

    I want the school to adhere to its academic standards and policies. I want to make sure everyone is made aware of this problem and its repercussions.

    I won’t abandon this thread and wish to discuss this with anyone/everyone. Please let me know how you feel!



    A Concerned Veterinary Student

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    Don't vet students take some standardized exam to be able to practice?

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    No worries

    A person that is not doing well in their courses will not likely pass the board exam or get licensed. People who do not belong in a profession eventually always get weeded out anyways. No need to get all huffy puffy about it. If they want to blow money every term to do so so, then that's their decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Trifling Jester
    Don't vet students take some standardized exam to be able to practice?

    -The Trifling Jester
    In most countries, yes. Possibly all countries. I won't pretend to know such information. However, in my personal experience, my education is disrupted by such people. I would imagine it is disruptive to many.

    If a person cannot pass their classes, why should they sit for a certification exam to practice veterinary medicine as if they had? What if they get lucky and do pass?

    All I want is for SGU to enforce the policies already set in place. Every other school I am familiar with allows a certain latitude for a bad class or bad semester. Here at SGU's vet school, there is at least one student who has repeated the same term for up to 2 years. This is in direct contradiction to the Quantitative and Qualitative standards set forth in the 2005/2006 Student Manual (pages 96 and 97).

    Why is SGU disregarding their own rules?

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    perhaps a letter to the dean of students or the provost can rectify the problems.

    SOM has rules in whom to certify to be able to take step 1 and stuff, and they seem to be strict on that, but i am not sure about SVM
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    While I completely and whole heartly agree with you that the school has the duty to follow and enforce their own policies.
    I just don't see how someone elses ineptitudes are disruptive to YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docjpuff
    A person that is not doing well in their courses will not likely pass the board exam or get licensed. People who do not belong in a profession eventually always get weeded out anyways. No need to get all huffy puffy about it. If they want to blow money every term to do so so, then that's their decision.
    Even if such persons weren't disruptive. A responsible center of higher education should abide by its own rules and not enforce them selectively.

    Does SGU need the money so bad that they will let students "blow" their money and, hopefully, not pass board exams when not academically able to do so?

    I am "huffy puffy" about this issue. I don't think many people, med or vet, know this is going on and I have reached a breaking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    While I completely and whole heartly agree with you that the school has the duty to follow and enforce their own policies.
    I just don't see how someone elses ineptitudes are disruptive to YOU.
    It is disruptive to me because I see other student(s) who feel the same way who post 100's of flyers in veterinary lecture and lab areas. I see my professors distracted and upset by this and it effects my education directly.

    Most importantly, I think that the vet school is in danger if our reputation is hurt so badly that no schools will allow SGU students to complete their clinical year in the UK, US, Canada, or elsewhere.

    Every vet and med student is potentially at risk.

    I am really not trying to be alarmist, I am seriously concerned.

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    Is this person a boyfriend/girfriend you don't get along with anymore?
    As I said, I agree that such practices should not be tolerated, however
    I am "huffy puffy" about this issue. I don't think many people, med or vet, know this is going on and I have reached a breaking point.
    isn't that a little overly dramatic?

    Mind your own business, if it bothers you get involved, but to allow it to reach "a breaking point"... Come on...

    LESS DRAMA, MORE READING, LESS DRAMA, MORE READING, LESS DRAMA, MORE READING, LESS ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    Is this person a boyfriend/girfriend you don't get along with anymore?
    As I said, I agree that such practices should not be tolerated, however

    isn't that a little overly dramatic?

    Mind your own business, if it bothers you get involved, but to allow it to reach "a breaking point"... Come on...

    LESS DRAMA, MORE READING, LESS DRAMA, MORE READING, LESS DRAMA, MORE READING, LESS ....
    Please don't insult me. This person is not, and hasn't ever been in a relationship with me. I don't know this person. Unfortunately, I now know alot about this person though. I assure you, not by choice

    What I am doing here IS getting involved.

    Perhaps "breaking point" is a little too overdramatic.

    I believe my concerns are legitimate

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