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    BitrSwt is offline Newbie 510 points
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    SGU Vet Med Problems

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    Im putting these issues out there for those that are looking at SGU to consider before making a Vet School Selection --- 1. There have been major issues with things being stolen out of students bags and the school doesn't do a thing about it. It has been brought up numerous times to many different people at various levels throughout the school. It is suspected that both students and SGU employees/security/exam proctors are all involved in the stealing. I suggested having cameras in the location of the bags (since we are not allowed to take them in the exam with us) nearly 3 months ago and none have been installed. --- 2. We take exams on ExamSoft. Up until a few weeks ago, we were able to see the questions we got wrong and had a chance to learn from our mistakes. Now, we don't get to see what questions we got wrong...nothing like a perfect recipe for failure of future vets coming out of SGU. We are not allowed to go to the Prof office and discuss specific questions on the exam. We can get a print out of the areas that we are weak in...but that only tells me about broad topics. I don't see how we are able to learn from our mistakes with these ridiculous changes!!! --- 3. The classroom that Term 1 & Term 2 are in is beyond unacceptable for a professional level classroom. The desk folds up from the floor and is smaller than my laptop. I do not have room to have a book or paper notes out when I have my computer out. I have more room in an economy air plane seat than I do in my classroom that I am in for 4 hours nearly every day during the weekdays. Every time I want to get up, I have to set my laptop on the ground and fold the desk down to get out. Due to such a small space, I now have carpal tunnel symptoms in both of my wrists because I am not able to maintain an appropriate typing position to take notes. The room is frequently like a sauna. Letters and petitions have been given to administration and nothing has been done. Work requests for the room being hot are turned in frequently and the room will get cooler for a few days and then its back to being hot. There are times the room is hotter than it is outside. Many students have stopped going to class because of the horrible classroom. There are classrooms that are available that are more appropriate, but they are designated as testing facilities and used infrequently to administer exams. Also, the classroom is so poorly designed, it took 100 people nearly 3 minutes to get out of the classroom for a fire drill the other day. --- If anyone has any suggestions as to how to get administration to resolve these issues, please let me know.

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    thxleave is offline Elite Member 7201 points
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    I understand you are frustrated. Some of the things you say have some valid criticism behind it, but I feel the way you are responding to the situation at hand isn't productive and frankly is unprofessional.

    1) Security will be an issue when you go to anywhere with high unemployment rate. Being vigilante is the main safeguard. Don't bring valuables to exam, and get a school locker. I know there has been a FEW incidence of lockers being broken into, but it lowers chance of stuff being stolen by a large margin.
    2) School has valid argument of not showing questions you got wrong. It's to protect integrity of their testbank, and standardized test often don't show you individual questions you got wrong. Just the categories. The SOM has this policy, and students have adjusted well to it.
    3) I feel class sizes aren't a big issue during lecture hall. My undergrad had similar chairs and desk layout. I either take notes just on my laptop, or stick to notebook binder depending on subject. It's not exclusively a SGU problem.
    4) Do a SHOR request for AC problems. People don't realize there is a disconnect of communication from on campus to the administration in NY. If enough kids file SHOR request for AC, I'm sure it will be fixed. I have filed SHOR request for a lot of things, and they always pull through.

    I know you are frustrated, heck I probably have a longer list of complaints. I don't however post a long winded post on a public forum bashing my own school.

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    lillybear is offline Newbie 510 points
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    Being vigilante is the main safeguard? How about security cameras? How about the students that are still unable to obtain lockers because there aren't enough on campus? What about the students who had items stolen by the very people who are PAID to protect their belongings from theft? The fact of the matter is, no student should have to fear their belongings being stolen while trying to take an exam, in professional school or otherwise. We're paying 45k+ to be here, and we expect our administration to take action, especially when we have written countless letters, reported every incident, gone to security, and gone to our deans. There's no reason why bags and backpacks shouldn't be allowed at the front of an exam room where students can rest assured no theft is occurring. What's that- you're worried about cell phones going off? On the occasions when our professors have been able to talk proctors into letting the bags in the room, not a single phone has gone off. NOT ONE! Besides, trust me, there's much more distracting things that happen during an exam- like that person who can't seem to click their trackpad QUITE HARD ENOUGH. *Gotta make sure I click loud enough for the entire hall to hear me because I never learned how to tap my finger!*

    As for the school not showing us answers, how does that protect their test bank? We still can't write any of those answers down- we don't have access to a pen and paper. Furthermore, isn't it part of the professors job description to craft exams for his or her students? In my opinion it's plain laziness that a test bank is even being used in the first place instead of professors writing their exams each term. Yes, the material covered is the same term to term, but that is literally what they are hired to do- test our knowledge. When I am unable to see the questions I missed I miss out on a valuable learning opportunity- I need to be able to learn from my mistakes and a "master printout" giving me the broad concepts that I was weak on is not going to correct the detail-oriented misunderstandings I showed on the exam.

    You disregard the class size issue, but I would be interested to know if you are SOM or SVM. If you're SOM (or even upper term SVM- don't even think about complaining about how "horrifically cold" VSL is. I have no sympathy for you.) you really have no business discussing this issue, because this thread is specifically regarding SVM issues. Have you ever sat through four hours of lecture in the room in question? I do. Everyday. KB Taylor Hall Blue is not fit for 105 professional students. I can't even open my binder in that room without whacking my neighbor in the ear and knocking their computer off their desk. Furthermore, I respectfully invite you to sit in on an afternoon of lectures in that room so you can experience what it feels like when it's 85-90 degrees and sunny outside.

    As for filling out SHOR requests for AC issues? You don't think we've tried that? EVERY single student in terms 1 and 2 have been individually completing SHOR requests to have the entire room revamped. Have they made changes? Yes. They moved the projector screen to the middle of the room- which did no good anyway, because the room isn't graded so people in the back rows still cannot see the bottom half of the powerpoints. They also installed a platform for professors to stand on. The issue wasn't that we couldn't see the professor- I don't care what he looks like or how badly he is sweating on any given day. The issue is that I can't see the powerpoints, my pitstains, like my professors, are offensively large, and I can't get out of my seat to use the restroom and get a whiff of oxygen without face-planting into at least three laptops and a backpack.

    I believe that future students have a right to know the complaints current students have. Informed consumers are empowered consumers, and who knows, maybe if SGU finds itself facing an enrollment crisis and Ross starts taking a larger proportion of students they might consider treating their professional students a little more...professionally.

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    thxleave is offline Elite Member 7201 points
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    1) It cost money to install cameras and additional staff to monitor the video feed. Shortage of locker is a problem, and I knew some of my friends are sharing lockers with a combo lock due to this shortage. My undergraduate had a spree of crime from staff members stealing from students. It happens in general, not just SGU. I went to undergrad in one of the worst cities in the state/USA in unemployment rate.
    2) Writing a new set of questions that are fair and comprehensive is more difficult then it sounds. Some of my classes in undergrad didn't return papers. Just like how it is in SGU.
    3) I am a Term 4 Med student. You are right, I don't know the specific situation for that building. The AC situation sounds pretty bad, and it does sound like the school is dropping the ball on that.
    4) It's a island, it takes a while for things to be fixed. That doesn't make things easier for you guys right now and it sucks. It's better to give the school a benefit of the thought that they are attempting to fix it, and it is just taking longer then expected.

    All in all though, there is problems... That is true, but half of it is mentality. Regardless I wish you guys the best of luck.

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    As one of SGU's biggest fans before starting here this semester, I am extremely dissappointed in what I have experienced these past four months. My biggest concern is the lack of being able to view our incorrect answers. Do I agree that something had to be changed to prevent cheating? Maybe. Do I think they handled it correctly? Absolutely not. I cannot believe that they would change a rule with such dramatic consequences so close to the end of the term. It is clear that they did not put a lot of thinking behind this, or take into account professors concerns as well. We can go to our professors office and find out what areas we did poorly in? OK what about when there is over a 100 of us trying to see one professor? What happens when we're out in the real world and an animal's life is on the line and we are uninformed because we never found out we got X question wrong?

    Our classroom is a disaster, and I understand that it takes time to reconstruct, but they couldn't even fix the simplest problem which was the AC. Its bad enough being squeezed next to 100 of your classmates with barely any room to cross your legs, but sweating your butt off while doing it. We had professors bringing their own sweat rags to class it was so bad. Many, many letters were written to higher-ups about this problem and we never heard a single response.

    And of course there is the problem of stealing during exams, which could be solved in so many different ways it makes me wonder why SGU isn't so quick to change that rule.

    I could go on for days about the problems at this school, but what it comes down to is what I will tell my pre-vets friends back home who were interested in applying to this school. I wish there someone had been there to tell me these issues before I made a commitment to SGU because I probably would have waited a year and applied to a US school. Hope this thread shows hopefuls the truth behind this school.

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