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    well guys its officail the new counsel have been chosen i have became VP

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    This is to you, VP!

    Well well well! This is to you, VP

    Allow me to congratulate you, your excellency, Dr.H, VP

    It is with pleasure to learn that Dr.H is the VP of the Student Counsel at the mighty "All Saints University School of Medicine"

    We sincerely welcome you, your excellency.

    Again, Congratulation!

    And let the party begin!

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    a new COUNCIL!

    Am I to understand that this medical school is turning out lawyers----or counsels?

    Or are we to understand that this medical school is turning out poor spellers.

    I guess the truth is that you have now got a new COUNCIL!


    Dont post a flimsy response as a retort now. Work on your spelling.

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    with two infractions that big, i am wondering what type of person your medical school is creating. now i dont say these things to be funny, i say these things cause i am happy.
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    Sorry

    The medical school I attended celebrates its 60th year next year.It is the best in the region. And the external examiners from the UK & USA and other countries who preside over all exams there have repeatedly said over and over that it is one of the best in the world for teaching undergraduate medical students.

    With respect to the type of person my medical school has created, I will cite Sir GAO A formerly head of PAHO, as one of our luminaries.

    Quae cum ita sint, a COUNCIL is a group of persons. A COUNSEL is a person who gives advice; e.g , a lawyer.


    Why cant you just accept wise counsel, councillor?
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    Logic deficiency vs typography deficiency

    If you were an employer, who would you employ: the Logically deficiency guy or the typographically deficiency lady?

    If anyone thinks there is an easy answer to this one let him bring it up, and lets debate. Maybe then, we will know the difference of graduating from one of the best schools and being the best graduate. And that 1 or 2 poor spellers would not be representative of the 200 student population.

    Huh?

    Surprised eh? This is Logic and Statistics 101

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    looking back at some of post lswiltshire wrote i could see she as bad as a speller as i am, so i dont even think statistic really works here rather then understanding Medicine is a Language, English is our tool to use the langauge for the benifit of people in north america, now lets say somone like me also knows Hebrew, and Persian and French, and be a little off some key sounds and figures of speach in english language, woudl that make me a bad medical student, would that even make a good student, it wouldnt, it would make me normal, not caring about what the words said, but what is really ment by it. in the end is all abbrevation and notes only pharmicists could read.

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    Awakening that which is in us!

    Kharil Gibranne, excuse me for the spelling if I may say, once said:

    "Education does not change us but awakens that which is already in us; So either one has it or he does not have it".

    Similarly, I may comfortably say, while it is attractive for anyone to appeal to institutional grandeur and achievements or to those that have it in them, this is nothing but a schema intended to establish superiority by associating oneself with those that have performed beyond shadows of doubt. Unfortunately, such logical necessity does not hold when exposed to real intellectual analysis. I am sure people like Sir GAO A formerly head of PAHO, had his real friends and classmates. To these, education had awakened that which was unique to them and was already in them and not in the rest of the other. I have no doubt that an intellectual like Sir GAO would have avoided infractions of basic logic and statistical skill violation by making fallacious claims.

    Can I then say, all graduates of 60 year old schools think like Iswildshire? The answer is: NO NO NO! Because I cannot reasonably substantiate my claim and that would be nasty.

    On and on and on! blah blah blah!, will it make any difference? Nope! Not when education does not change humans; does this mean even those that we we expose to paideia: (http://www.dbu.edu/naugle/pdf/instit...deia/notes.pdf)

    I am not sure. I can only say the problem comes in when institutions focus on grades. Because with grades, anything can be raked into a medical profession and the challenge becomes "how to create humane doctors out of the staff the grades-rake has raked into our institutions". That's the challenged! And no institution, old or new, big or small is immune to such inherent errors.

    This is getting too convoluted, I will stop here.

    Regards,

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    Spelling is certainly very important friend

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    looking back at some of post lswiltshire wrote i could see she as bad as a speller as i am, so i dont even think statistic really works here rather then understanding Medicine is a Language, English is our tool to use the langauge for the benifit of people in north america, now lets say somone like me also knows Hebrew, and Persian and French, and be a little off some key sounds and figures of speach in english language, woudl that make me a bad medical student, would that even make a good student, it wouldnt, it would make me normal, not caring about what the words said, but what is really ment by it. in the end is all abbrevation and notes only pharmicists could read.
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    DR H in your diatribe with lack of punctuation and your insistence upon poor spelling you show your ignorance. Read what you have written. Does this really make sense to you ……. not caring about what the words said, but what is really ment by it.

    Knowest thou not that the ipsima verbae determines the ipsima vox?. Words are used precisely to say what one means.

    Medicine is not a language but a discipline, which is universal, and not only for folk in North America. There are times when a typographical error is made, but there are certain English words that when misspelled, mean something different all together. They are a number of word pairs which sound similar but are spelt differently which must be mastered. In Caribbean primary schools, these words are taught for the 11 plus examination which precedes secondary school.

    Council and counsel is one such pair. Cosine and cosign etc

    Spelling is certainly very important friend. To misspell the names of certain drugs might mean that your patient will get a totally different drug all together. Try misspelling chlorpropamide and write chlorpromazine instead, when, if ever, you become a doctor.

    Your post with its poor defense reminds me immediately of the text of Romans 1:22.

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    there is a definite difference between COUNCIL, and COUNSEL.

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    You might note that my post was a direct response to Dr H’s query with two infractions that big, i am wondering what type of person your medical school is creating.

    In the attempt to be modest, I did not, and will not state my achievements. I chose to cite those of one of my countrymen who is now our university’s Chancellor. In so doing, I deftly deflected the daft dart at myself. There is nothing illogical about my posts, nor is there any typographic deficiency in your classmate’s spelling. There is a definite difference between a typographic deficiency and a clear malapropism. His spelling constitutes a definite malapropism. This has nothing to do with either logic or statistics.

    May I state that Gibranne’s quote is a matter of opinion. And as cute as it sounds it is not accurate, because education has changed many. Similarly getting infractions on valueMd is also opinion, and has nothing to do with the realities of life. I notice that you also got infractions, but I am not going to judge you, since, like me, you probably did no serious crime to receive it.

    You err in your logic as you know neither me or Sir G. You know nothing also about my intellect or achievements. Since you are not omniscient you can not say with any degree of certainty that an intellectual like Sir GAO would have avoided infractions of basic logic and statistical skill violation by makingfallacious claims. I did none of these things

    You are, however, correct in saying”Can I then say, all graduates of 60 year old schools think like Iswildshire? The answer is: NO NO NO! Because I cannot reasonably substantiate my claim and that would be nasty.” This is the most logical and accurate statement in your posts.


    With respect to grades. At my school the marking system operates so that the majority of the class just passes. Only a small number get honors, and even fewer get distinction. The emphasis is not put on passing exams or the USMLE or grades. The emphasis is put on making good all round doctors. I cannot believe that you guys have created so much ho ha because I pointed out a malapropism in Dr H posts.

    Attack me as much as you like. Engage in logic and statistics and semantics as much as you like, but there is a definite difference between COUNCIL, and COUNSEL.

    I done wid dat!

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