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    Why Saba Fails to care about their students!

    I want to first say I never complain and always try to look at the bright side of things, but this post needs to be done. I am a current student at Saba med.. The school has its up and downs , but honestly the president of the school, Dr. Chu is not in touch with his students nor those the administration care AT ALL FOR THEIR STUDENTS NOR THEIR SAFETY. I am hoping that the administration sees this especially Dr. Chu. I am happy that this school allowed me to attend and I have made it very far in the program, so no I WAS NOT A DROP OUT AND NO I AM NOT BITTER BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS HARD. I am mad because the school has around 200 American students that relies on their financial aid to pay rent, buy food, pay bills. It has been a month and some time now and none of the students are able to get their refund money and the school REFUSES to answer the question on why they haven't sent our money. We have talked to all the deans and they were told to stay out of financial aid and when Dr. Chu ( who supposedly cares about his students ) was asked why the student cant get their money before near the end of the semester, he simply answer that he knows NOTHING ABOUT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT ( I thought it was the president job to know about major functions of the school ). Students are left not able to pay bills, buy food, pay rent and the school could care less. I am calling out SABA on their false statements of how they are there for their students. If you cant pay out of pocket for the expensive living cost to be on this island DO NOT ATTEND THIS SCHOOL. The hardship to do good in your classes and to worry about where your next meal comes from is not worth it. I have heard other school are there to support their students care for their students success Saba is not the school. President Chu you have failed to provide the simple things student needs , and that is self assurance that the school has the students well being in mind! If there is some one out there that has a little more insight on the legal matter on how schools handle financial aid please respond to my post. Things need to change at this school ! do your research before you come here !
    p.s. please excuse my lack of proper grammar, I wrote this in a rush!

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    I'm also saddened to hear these complaints. I graduated from Saba in 2009 and I'm a board certified physician and doing well in Texas. We didn't have FAFSA back when I attended Saba, so I got private student loans, which my employer is paying off half while paying me well.

    Saba was rigorous, and we didn't get much clinical experience on the island, but I felt the basic science education was very good on the island overall from 2005 to 2006. Even then we had professors with accents and had to attend class all day every day with just a short lunch break, but the professors were excellent.

    I never had any delays with dispersment of my private loans. Is this a problem with federal student loans?

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    Current student (from 2014). I can absolutely testify to the truth about numerous delays of FAFSA disbursements, despite not using FAFSA myself.

    For students fully reliant on federal loans, they are SOL if they get delayed (I met students who had to take an LOA and return a semester later due inability to pay expenses).

    The basic science education was fine prior to the switch to systems based approach. I believe the transition was poorly planned, and several key professors left coincidentally around that time. I attended long hours of class and made it through along with many of my classmates.
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    I too had to obtain private loans so I never had to deal with the disbursement issues experienced by some on this thread.

    As far as the curriculum difficulty is concerned, Iím not quite sure how to respond. Med school is not easy. Our courses were difficult and we studied constantly. This is the norm, not the exception.

    If you are expecting medical training to be easy, I suggest you find a different course of study. As hard as the core curriculum was at Saba, I can tell you that, as you progress through your training, it only gets harder. The rigors of residency and fellowship training are much more demanding than the core at Saba. The demands and difficulty of post residency practice are even harder.

    Med school deans donít care about you, attendings and program directors in residency/fellowship donít care about you, and hospital administrators most definitely wonít care about you. Well, some may, but no one is going to hold your hand and you shouldnít expect them to. This is the nature of the beast when it comes to medical training. It is what it is.

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    Strongly agree with UrgentMD.

    Things don't get easier as you progress. There are significant burdens of paperwork, and deadlines to meet in order to be successful in your training. Financial risk is always a big component of training overseas, and needs to be carefully considered.

    I successfully matched to a residency at a university program this year, and while I have gripes am overall satisfied with the experience at SUSOM.
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    Agreed. Class of 2007, and when I was there the school was hard, but had a great reputation. Very sad.

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    Hello,

    Im a current student at Saba.

    Ill keep it simple. Avoid coming here. This school does not care about its student, the reason the class sizes are small is because they dont have enough people applying and lots of students are struggling with academics. There are changes being made but right now it is a disaster. Save yourself.
    Last edited by Saba Student1; 04-11-2019 at 07:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saba Student View Post
    I want to first say I never complain and always try to look at the bright side of things, but this post needs to be done. I am a current student at Saba med.. The school has its up and downs , but honestly the president of the school, Dr. Chu is not in touch with his students nor those the administration care AT ALL FOR THEIR STUDENTS NOR THEIR SAFETY. I am hoping that the administration sees this especially Dr. Chu. I am happy that this school allowed me to attend and I have made it very far in the program, so no I WAS NOT A DROP OUT AND NO I AM NOT BITTER BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS HARD. I am mad because the school has around 200 American students that relies on their financial aid to pay rent, buy food, pay bills. It has been a month and some time now and none of the students are able to get their refund money and the school REFUSES to answer the question on why they haven't sent our money. We have talked to all the deans and they were told to stay out of financial aid and when Dr. Chu ( who supposedly cares about his students ) was asked why the student cant get their money before near the end of the semester, he simply answer that he knows NOTHING ABOUT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT ( I thought it was the president job to know about major functions of the school ). Students are left not able to pay bills, buy food, pay rent and the school could care less. I am calling out SABA on their false statements of how they are there for their students. If you cant pay out of pocket for the expensive living cost to be on this island DO NOT ATTEND THIS SCHOOL. The hardship to do good in your classes and to worry about where your next meal comes from is not worth it. I have heard other school are there to support their students care for their students success Saba is not the school. President Chu you have failed to provide the simple things student needs , and that is self assurance that the school has the students well being in mind! If there is some one out there that has a little more insight on the legal matter on how schools handle financial aid please respond to my post. Things need to change at this school ! do your research before you come here !
    p.s. please excuse my lack of proper grammar, I wrote this in a rush!

    This isn't even the half of it!! If you were there during the hurricane semesters, you would have seen how SUSOM didn't even care if we were in actual physical danger of a natural disaster. They emailed students to fly into a hurricane (cuz the new semester started right when the hurricanes where approaching). They had been warned about their dangers by the Dutch government prior too and they still wanted us to come and collect our tuition! Whoever was able to make it back was trapped on an island with no airport or food shipments for weeks. After hurricane Irma passed, the first email from the school wasn't a welfare check on the student body, BUT instead about how we needed to be in class first thing Monday.
    If your that desperate to go down there be careful of the Dean of Student affairs his name is Huckfeldt, he is a deplorable human being with no ethics. He and his wife Dr. Robson are the "button-men" for the Devens admin office. If you don't believe what I am saying here, message me and I can send you the school's emails to us during the Hurricanes...and you can see for yourself how LITTLE this school cares about its students!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mambostrike5 View Post
    One of my close friends also went to MUA, he specializes in sleep med now. Maybe you know him? Omar, really calm bald Pakistani guy (I'd prefer not to give out his last name, just wondering if it rings a bell).

    Anyway, they actually have changed things a lot, at Saba anyway. About 2 years ago they changed the curriculum completely to make it more "systems based," and they have literally made a change in the curriculum every semester since I have been here. It seems as if though they screwed up and they've been trying to do damage control ever since. Their EXIT pass rates went from 80-90% to 50-60% (this is actual data from Dr. Chu the school's president, 6 months ago when he came to visit the island).

    I understand that hours for clerkship and residency are grueling and way tougher, but you're active moving around, observing and learning....8-9 mandatory hours of disorganized lecture in thick foreign accents is a huge waste of time for many of us who are independent learners....we end up having to reteach ourselves almost everything in an even lesser amount of time after getting out of class. My problem is not about the amount of time we must work and study, my issue is with the inflexible attitude towards hearing out the student body's concerns, then turning around and being so money hungry. It takes away from the dignity of the educational institution.

    I know it sounds like a petty complaint, but it is having a major impact on many of us here. So many students from every semester complain about the wasted hours of mandatory lecture. And the EXIT pass rates for the last year and a half are evident of the matter.

    Thank you for your input though. I just advise people to really investigate these Caribbean school thoroughly before venturing out to the especially Saba.
    Thinking of coming down there in 2020. Has anything changed yet? Also, do you have any insider stats on the true match rate? SABA advertises a 94% match rate but is that a first time match rate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska1 View Post
    Thinking of coming down there in 2020. Has anything changed yet? Also, do you have any insider stats on the true match rate? SABA advertises a 94% match rate but is that a first time match rate?
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