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    Saba or a US osteopathic school?

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    If you had the fortunate choice between SUSOM and a US osteopathic school, and money wasn't a factor, which would be the best choice?

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    MD vs. DO...

    Doctor of Optometry? What? Doctor of Osteopathy!?! Come on, you're not really a doctor are you?

    Don't want to have that conversation 10 times a day for the rest of my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLea View Post
    MD vs. DO...

    Doctor of Optometry? What? Doctor of Osteopathy!?! Come on, you're not really a doctor are you?

    Don't want to have that conversation 10 times a day for the rest of my life.
    I agree with the post... I would rather handle the carribean for a bit then have to explain to everyone that "yes I really am a doctor!!"... and the MD after your name looks so much sexier...
    Medicine is learned by the bedside and not in the classroom. Let not your conceptions of disease come from words heard in the lecture room or read from the book. See, and then reason and compare and control. But see first. William Osler, MD (1849- 1919)

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    both carry a stigma..i'd rather deal with the one that has MD beside my name. my $.02. Peace

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    re:

    If I had to play devil's advocate to some of the responses...


    From what I've read in numerous SDN and other similar med student forums, the DO stigma seems to have dissipated quite substantially, with the # of DO schools in the US and the residency placement of DO's in some competitive allopathic specialties.

    I realize both have stigmas, but isn't it inherently easier for a US DO to get a choice residency specialty compared to the US FMG who has to work even harder?

    Take away the MD/DO label as an issue, and look at the general consensus: do US DO's have an easier time in the residency application process compared to US FMG's? If the difference between the two is INSIGNIFICANT, then I would say save the money and go FMG, for sure.

    Just my $.02 as devil's advocate. Feel free to discuss.

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    International Problems

    Some countries do not recognize the DO degree. I plan on practicing in sub-Saharan Africa and can only do that with an MD.

    The stigma of DO in the US is still strong on the East Coast. Once you've completed a residency, most people never ask where you went to school if you have an MD. With a DO, at least where I have been, eyebrows are raised and questions are asked.

    If I were not going to practice overseas, I'd still choose Saba over DO, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLea View Post
    I plan on practicing in sub-Saharan Africa...
    are you serious? that's awesome. i am also very interested in working somewhere in africa as well.
    the car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel and the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides and a dark wind blows. the government is corrupt and we're on so many drugs with the radio on and the curtains drawn. we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death.

    -GYBE!


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    Serious about Africa. We want to go back to Zambia.

    MIASMA, did I meet you when I was on the island shooting scenes for the video a couple of weeks ago?

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    OP, I feel your pain. Went through the same dilemma. Along with what seems like half the people on VMD. See some of the SGU threads for more info.

    When I started doing research on this, I found the following:
    1. SDN is owned and operated by osteopaths. Lee Burnett (a family practice DO in CA) owns it, and >70% of the moderators are DO's. e.g., DrMom, tkim, etc. It took me a while to figure that out. They make it very hard to find objective data between Caribbean MD and US DO because they lock and/or delete any threads that begin to discuss the issue, particularly any that don't sing the praises of osteopaths. I found it really hard to get any useful info.

    2. One of the few useful links I found on SDN was to this:
    Carib MD or DO?, which helped some.

    3. There are some good threads on SDN, but they are few and far between. Don't be duped like I was at first when I started believing that hype about "Well, DO's have their own residencies." These things are far worse than pretty much any MD residency, as I quickly found out. Here's a thread that's currently discussing the issue:
    D.O. Anesthesia programs...any info? - Student Doctor Network Forums

    Read it before it gets deleted. In short, these programs will severly limit your employment options, and are to be avoided at all costs. There are lots of these that pop up in the various residency forums. Look around.

    4. This one weighs in favor of osteopath schools -- if you suck at standardized tests (e.g., your MCAT <21), you might want to seriously consider going DO, because they allow you to take the COMLEX which is scaled to make sure >92% of DO's will pass it. You see, about 30% of DO's cannot pass the USMLE Step I, so this allows them to practice medicine in the US. If you suck at standardized tests, go DO and then go to one of the crappy DO residencies, and then (although your employment options will be severely limited) you'll at least be licensed to practice medicine in the US.

    5. Most DO schools have the same setup regarding clinical years as the top Caribbean schools. That is, set it up yourself (at least for 4th year/some 3rd year too). Some think that's good, some think it's bad. It really just means the school has no integral training hospital. So this point is probably a wash, but I didn't realize that DO schools make you do that, and I think a lot of them try to hide this as best they can.

    Good luck! It's a tough decision. I know. Staying in the US for the first 20 months sounds pretty good, but paying for it for the rest of my life did not.

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    D.O. 100%. If you are young, bring your GPA up and re-apply to US allopathic schools. Come to the Caribbean as a last resort. I did.

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