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    ENGLISH MD IN RUSSIA IS NOT A SEPARATE MD PROGRAM

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    pfu, mma, rsmu, pavlov and nizhny emailed me confirming that the MD diplomas and transcripts received by Russian language students are the same stuff received by the students under english. no difference or distinction. it's like studying in mexico where first year is usually english for gringos. Russian med schools overdo it. English is just used so not to overburden international students since russian is difficult to learn. so there is really no separate English program in russia.

    any MD students at MSU? Please post something about the university environment, quality, people, food, racism, homophobia, etc.

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    PFU

    i received the same reply from PFU. there are no distinction between english and russian. even the state board exam is in russian. they receive russian degrees. therefore, they are all approved in cali. anyway, look into PFU. i've been in contact with an american student studying there. he had a lot of positive things to say about the school. best of luck!! 8)
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    Not so fast..

    Quote Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD
    pfu, mma, rsmu, pavlov and nizhny emailed me confirming that the MD diplomas and transcripts received by Russian language students are the same stuff received by the students under english. no difference or distinction. it's like studying in mexico where first year is usually english for gringos. Russian med schools overdo it. English is just used so not to overburden international students since russian is difficult to learn. so there is really no separate English program in russia.
    The problem, however, is not the "existence" of a separate program, because foreigners graduating from Hungarian med schools equally receive the exact same diplomas as the Hungarians do (and just as valid when it comes to national registration).

    The California rules are about teaching a non-native group for profit. Despite the same diploma or even transcript, it will very quickly become apparent to the med board that the applicant is not a Russian. (e.g. John Smith born in Smallville, USA; undergrad degree from State U., etc..) So, the med board will probably ask questions about the Russian university program. Therefore, one cannot assume that the programs mentioned are in fact California approved. For those that are serious about them, I recommend that you contact the medical board first.

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    where are the moderators?

    has any moderator here ever asked Ms. Pat Park why Guadalajara IMG's are allowed to practice med in cali?

    UAG's program is in english. why is it that the english md programs in poland have to be approved but not mexico's? the medium of instruction in mexico is spanish except the distinct english MD program catered for american foreign students.

    the sauce for the gander should be the same for the goose. i think that depends to Ms. Park's palate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD
    has any moderator here ever asked Ms. Pat Park why Guadalajara IMG's are allowed to practice med in cali?

    UAG's program is in english. why is it that the english md programs in poland have to be approved but not mexico's? the medium of instruction in mexico is spanish except the distinct english MD program catered for american foreign students.
    I believe that UAG went through the approval process, however I'm not 100% certain.

    BTW, there's no point to insulting Ms. Park. She does not make up the rules (the state lawmakers and the board do), she simply provides an avenue for schools to be accredited. I for one, appreciate her participation on this website. She is very approachable and makes the rules clear for potential applicants.

    Therefore, as this is not a personal matter, please do all of us a favor and edit your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miklos
    Quote Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD
    has any moderator here ever asked Ms. Pat Park why Guadalajara IMG's are allowed to practice med in cali?

    UAG's program is in english. why is it that the english md programs in poland have to be approved but not mexico's? the medium of instruction in mexico is spanish except the distinct english MD program catered for american foreign students.
    I believe that UAG went through the approval process, however I'm not 100% certain.

    BTW, there's no point to insulting Ms. Park. She does not make up the rules (the state lawmakers and the board do), she simply provides an avenue for schools to be accredited. I for one, appreciate her participation on this website. She is very approachable and makes the rules clear for potential applicants.

    Therefore, as this is not a personal matter, please do all of us a favor and edit your post.
    i talked to her on the phone. i don't like her raised voice and sarcastic tone. she sounded like a frustrated/failed MD student who is out there to make the life of the successful ones hellish.

    what pat park's department recommends is what the lawmakers legislate. i hope they have both IMG and USG med professors as members of the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD
    Quote Originally Posted by Miklos
    Quote Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD
    has any moderator here ever asked Ms. Pat Park why Guadalajara IMG's are allowed to practice med in cali?

    UAG's program is in english. why is it that the english md programs in poland have to be approved but not mexico's? the medium of instruction in mexico is spanish except the distinct english MD program catered for american foreign students.
    I believe that UAG went through the approval process, however I'm not 100% certain.

    BTW, there's no point to insulting Ms. Park. She does not make up the rules (the state lawmakers and the board do), she simply provides an avenue for schools to be accredited. I for one, appreciate her participation on this website. She is very approachable and makes the rules clear for potential applicants.

    Therefore, as this is not a personal matter, please do all of us a favor and edit your post.
    i talked to her on the phone. i don't like her raised voice and sarcastic tone. she sounded like a frustrated/failed MD student who is out there to make the life of the successful ones hellish.

    what pat park's department recommends is what the lawmakers legislate. i hope they have both IMG and USG med professors as members of the board.


    I think that this post speaks volumes about you.

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    ............

    ..... that i am into nitty-gritty details. that's good, isn't it? medicine, after all, is about details.

    an efficient bureaucracy emphasizes inclusion not exclusion and opportunities not obstacles and limitations. simple as that.

    california inner cities need doctors. if the cali board is for community development, and pro-poor consumers, they should start an iniative that gives US-licensed IMG's from unapproved schools chances like serving inner cities and working in community health centers first before unconditional licensing. that is more productive than pushing these IMG's to resort to courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD
    ..... that i am into nitty-gritty details. that's good, isn't it? medicine, after all, is about details.

    an efficient bureaucracy emphasizes inclusion not exclusion and opportunities not obstacles and limitations. simple as that.

    california inner cities need doctors. if the cali board is for community development, and pro-poor consumers, they should start an iniative that gives US-licensed IMG's from unapproved schools chances like serving inner cities and working in community health centers first before unconditional licensing. that is more productive than pushing these IMG's to resort to courts.
    sure, i can see it now...

    ca board: "well, your school is not approved, so you do not qualify for licensure in the state....but, hey, we will let you practice on the poor people in the inner city, to see if you know your stuff. then, maybe we can give you a license..."

    sure.

    the point of the CA board is to ensure adequate training of it's physicians before allowing them to treat the citizens of CA. period. while you may not agree with the way they decide which programs are adequate, these limitations are still there.

    and, miklos, i think all of asiantswantsmd's posts speak volumes about the kind of person we are dealing with....

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilc
    the point of the CA board is to ensure adequate training of it's physicians before allowing them to treat the citizens of CA. period.
    Fair enough, neilc... Then why don't you explain to eveyone how CA approved Saddam University grads are adequate for licensure or how about the University of Bangladesh grads or the Univ. of Ethiopia grad who did his clinicals in a chicken farm are adequate???

    On the one hand, you call it "adequate care" and "safety", on the other hand you don't care, its OK, it doesn't matter let the University of Kabul or Basara or God knows where grad do what they want.. I don't think that you, neilc, can say a single word without contradicting yourself.

    Your posts speak volumes of what kind of person that you are and its very sad... -s&a

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