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    Kyiv Post "Foreign Students Get Shaken Down"

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    www kyivpost com/news/nation/detail/109643/

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    I thought this might interest some here. I'm not considering Ukraine myself so this is all I know about the situation.

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    This is precisely why I would stick with EU schools... you have almost no recourse in Ukraine.

    SE Europe can certainly be messy, but Ukraine is a mess.

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    Foreign Students Get Shaken Down

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    Тhere is no such a thing like " To be expelled for no reason.."
    On the basis of that funny article you say that Ukraine is in a mess and no go area ........... Common, give me a break.
    Have you ever heard of “black dollars”? Very famous Nigerian scam in Russia and CIS used by Nigerian students to make some extra income.
    Not all of them come to study, unfortunately.

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    Are u Nigerian? Lol

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    I didn't say that there was anything like "expelled for no reason." I did say that the article is indicative of reasons that one might be well-advised to stick with EU schools. (Unless one wants to work in Ukraine after graduation, of course, which is fine.) Yes, you can, potentially, work in many places with a Ukrainian medical degree. However, the skids are not greased, by any stretch of the imagination.

    FWIW, my parents and several close friends just returned to Bulgaria from Kiev 6 weeks ago. I have a number of other good friends who are either from Ukraine or who have lived/worked there for a period of time. I have been working extensively with a family who has left Ukraine to seek asylum status because of a number of very disturbing factors. No, I have not visited Ukraine myself (yet), but I can make a determination based on the information that I am gleaning from numerous sources. I would not be in a hurry to study there based on my own investigations.

    And please, I stand by what I said about having no recourse in Ukraine. What are you going to do if you have a problem, call Moscow? Don't make me giggle.

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    @ devildoc8404

    Тhere is no such a thing like " To be expelled for no reason.."
    On the basis of that funny article you say that Ukraine is in a mess and no go area ........... Common, give me a break.
    Have you ever heard of “black dollars”? Very famous Nigerian scam in Russia and CIS used by Nigerian students to make some extra income.
    Not all of them come to study, unfortunately.

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    "...but I can make a determination based on the information that I am gleaning from numerous sources"
    - I am afraid it could be very misleading.
    How do you know your source is not biased or gives you the right view of events. It could be very tricky to make the right choice.

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    How do you know your source is not biased or gives you the right view of events.

    Ummmmm... I know that they are not biased and not lying to me because they are my parents, who birthed and raised me, and my very close friends, who have earned my trust. This means (at least in my family and circle of friends) that they are the people whose experiences and input I can trust more than any others in the world.

    Whose input should I trust, then? Someone with an axe to grind who stands to make money off of enrollment in Ukrainian medical schools? That is ridiculous.

    Ukraine has significant problems, anyone who keeps track of international news is aware of this. That is not restricted to Ukraine, of course... Romania and Bulgaria and the rest of the Balkans have their own issues to deal with. However, there is no doubt that EU membership makes a huge difference. To suggest otherwise is either dishonest or uninformed.

    And no, it's not overly tricky to make the right choice if people investigate their available options with an open mind and use impartial resources to get information. All it takes is some time and effort.

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    Same here. I ve been living in UK for many years but come to my parents place in Ukraine very often and that is why I am confused about your strong criticism of Ukraine without even visiting the place. It is very good place and good place to be. Good and bad people as everywhere.
    For example, if you give me a choice visiting Ukrainian GP to GP in UK I would prefer a visit to GP in Ukraine. It might sound funny but it is true picture of free NHS in UK.
    The same regarding crime, tolerance, racism and many other things if you start looking into. I ve been living in UK too long to make a sober and fair judgement.

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    In fact, I agree with you that many Ukrainian doctors are excellent, Sergei. One of my Ukrainian-American friends is an internal medicine resident in the US (trained in the US) and her family are renowned physicians/surgeons in Ukraine.

    As I see it, the main problem with studying medicine in Ukraine for someone from North America or the EU is that it is far more challenging to get back to practice in one's home country... and also the reality that there is little or no recourse in case something goes wrong in Ukraine with studies or other living circumstances. It's not a matter of Ukrainian doctors being terrible... I'm sure that there are some bad apples, but those can be found in any country.

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    sounds like you are in Canada or US. If it is the case it could be a bit too far

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